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(...) Congradulations.....it is nice to see the line that finally recognizes the efforts of the adult lego community. I just like to reply that one hand, I think that the models in general from the Guild are pretty superb, (And that producing (...) (23 years ago, 16-Dec-01, to lugnet.market.theory, lugnet.general)
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Hi Ben I'm not going to answer every detail of your post, but there are a few misconceptions that I need to address. (...) I suggest you try producing a kit, Ben, and see just how much time it takes to do a good job, and how much the right quality (...) (23 years ago, 16-Dec-01, to lugnet.market.theory, lugnet.general)
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(...) Though I have not yet even thought about entering the kit market, I can agree with everything Kevin says. Yet, I still feel the kits are priced above the level I am willing to spend. Part of that is that with my extensive collection, I don't (...) (23 years ago, 17-Dec-01, to lugnet.market.theory, lugnet.general)
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(...) It does indeed sound like a lot of work. (...) I wonder if some other 'guild' will attempt to fill this marketing void? Why not offer just high quality step-by-step instructions for models you can build with parts you already have? (...) Based (...) (23 years ago, 17-Dec-01, to lugnet.market.theory, lugnet.general)
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(...) I agree that it would be nice to see a variety of sets. I think however that you will continue to see a heavy weighting in favor of town, train, and castle. Why? Because I think the bulk of LEGO sales are in these categories (though space is (...) (23 years ago, 17-Dec-01, to lugnet.market.theory, lugnet.general)
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(...) It's a very compelling reason. I haven't bought a set for the main model in years; everything is a parts source. I'm positive I'm not the only AFOL out there like this, either. I've pre-ordered my first (mumble) copies already, strictly for (...) (23 years ago, 17-Dec-01, to lugnet.market.theory, lugnet.general)
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(...) Perhaps a valid point. However, it can be argued that virtually anything can be a big seller if the kids want to buy it. Perfect example... Bionicle. It's neither Town nor Train, but it's flying off the shelves right now. Parents where I work (...) (23 years ago, 17-Dec-01, to lugnet.market.theory)
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(...) I'm exactly the opposite. I will ONLY buy a set that I like and I only buy it for the set. Whatever parts it happens to contain then so be it. This currently explains why I don't buy a lot of sets. Most of the current offerings are so shallow (...) (23 years ago, 17-Dec-01, to lugnet.market.theory, lugnet.general)
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(...) Okay, so you only buy sets for their good design. The parts selection doesn't matter... (...) Clearly, you didn't buy the buckets and tubs for their good design, but for the parts selection.... (...) So you found some good designs... (...) It (...) (23 years ago, 17-Dec-01, to lugnet.market.theory)
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(...) No, to quote myself from the posting you replied to: "Whatever parts it happens to contain then so be it. " I have never and would never buy a set only to get a part or parts. If a good set has interesting parts (and hopefully still a hefty (...) (23 years ago, 17-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, no doubt about it it's good to branch out. Of course they have done so with the sculptures and the Sopwith Camel (labeled a sculpture but obviously Model Team). (...) I wouldn't hold my breath for Aztec or Egyptian. Too close to what's (...) (23 years ago, 17-Dec-01, to lugnet.market.theory)
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(...) But, you said you bought them "to round out my collection with a smattering of 'specialty bricks'." (...) But you said you buy sets for good designs. And you just said "I have never and would never buy a set only to get a part or parts.". How (...) (23 years ago, 17-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. You are absolutely correct. These are the things I've said. The two things are not mutually exclusive. I am not such a 'brick purest' that I don't recognize the value of specialty pieces. However, as mentioned, I don't buy a set because (...) (23 years ago, 18-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) it's not a valid comparison. [snip] (...) ...or others disagree about. (...) Except that you're not a customer of S@H. And not a major customer of the rest of LEGO either. [snip] (...) I'm not sure you do - you've invited me to "join the (...) (23 years ago, 18-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Adult who enjoys 'building' with LEGO sounds like an AFOL to me. What do you think AFOL implies if it doesn't include this type of person? I think any adult who has at least one of the following characteristics is an AFOL: - enjoys building (...) (23 years ago, 18-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Richie... For whatever reason, you seem to latch onto one or more specific notions and ignore other parts of my argument in order to make your point. The above is a perfect example. I have already stated that I was NOT comparing piece counts. (...) (23 years ago, 18-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess I'm just not fond of labels. If someone else wants to call themself an AFOL I have no problem with that... it's just not for me. Besides, if you could see inside my head, view how my brain operates, you'd realize that even labeling (...) (23 years ago, 18-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have “latched onto…specific notions” because I believe your arguments are flawed or contradictory. (...) But on what basis do you think it is a valid comparison… that they are two LEGO sets which are police stations? Why not throw the Duplo (...) (23 years ago, 18-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's what I was thinking when he said they fit into the same niche. Roman, Greek, or Viking would be great. (23 years ago, 18-Dec-01, to lugnet.market.theory, lugnet.general)
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(...) But is not "adult who enjoys building with LEGO" as much a label as "adult fan of LEGO"? 8?) ROSCO (23 years ago, 18-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is someone who believes in God necessarily a Christian? Regards, Allan B. Definitely NOT an AFOL (23 years ago, 18-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's all right Allan, we understand. It took me almost a year of lurking before I could bring myself to post here, and being a closet AFOL was my dirty little family secret for almost another year (although my Kindergartener almost spilled the (...) (23 years ago, 19-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, this thread has gone from the discovery of the MOC series on the LEGO website to asking the question, "Who is God?" :-) I think a better question would have been: just because you live in a garage, does that make you a car? But seriously, (...) (23 years ago, 19-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've was posting to rec.toys.lego about 3 1/2 years ago. I have been posting to LUGNET for quite some time now (over 3 years) I'm not shy. I'm not a lurker. Thanks for the sentiments though. (...) Well, I feel bad for you that you felt you had (...) (23 years ago, 19-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) to (...) fan (...) You miss my point. I am not making a comment as to which best describes you, just that you've said you're not fond of labels, then promptly labelled youself. The answer to your question is obviously no, but "someone who (...) (23 years ago, 19-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Testing, testing, 1... 2... 3, testing. I am not 100% certain that the words I'm typing on my computer are transmitting correctly to the LUGNET server. I'm almost certain I didn't ask "Who is God?" What I asked was, "Is someone who believes in (...) (23 years ago, 19-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm still missing your point I think. I don't recall labeling myself with anything. I did try to express a description to help folks understand me, but I really didn't define a label to attach to it. What label do you see that I've called (...) (23 years ago, 19-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You called yourself "an adult who likes to build with LEGO". That's a label. Another label you claim for yourself is "Allan Bedford". I raise that one to point out that without labels, conversation would be impossible. (...) And those "labels" (...) (23 years ago, 19-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) giddy (...) themself (...) God" (...) Well, that seems to be where we differ. I see AFOL as simply an acronymic (????) abbreviation of "adult fan of LEGO". Maybe it's acronyms you're not fond of? (...) Or four 8?) (...) So where's the (...) (23 years ago, 19-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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We now return you to your regularly scheduled debate, already in progress. (...) Richie... I think we're getting somewhere. :) I'm sorry to come off sounding so verbally heavy-handed in my last post, but I really felt like our 'debate' was disolving (...) (23 years ago, 19-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [snip] (...) I think we are/were a long way from that point. At least I hope we are/were ;-) (...) [Same here. I've left in the relevent bits I'm commenting on] (...) I'd invite you to have a look at the parts selection in Slave I. There are (...) (23 years ago, 19-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You win. Label me a quitter, because I give up on this debate. (...) Which is exactly why I don't want to be lumped in with folks calling themselves AFOL's. I simply don't have enough in common with them to warrent using that term. (...) I'm (...) (23 years ago, 19-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think you are reading much more into the label "AFOL" than most people. To me (and Frank, from what he says above) AFOL means no more than that you are an adult who enjoys LEGO as a hobby. I've never thought it might mean anything more until (...) (23 years ago, 19-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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allow me to add some colour (oops...that's canadian...) :) commentary. <snip> (...) but it does raise a contentious issue of reality of the set (design) vs. ease of construction plus, the older sets could be made into other creations, if the the (...) (23 years ago, 19-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (pssst! You forgot to mention 'Hitler'!) (...) And I don't use 'AFOL' because when you say it out loud, it's something awful. Steve (23 years ago, 19-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I really don't think this comment is appropriate for this debate, Steve. Not to overly criticize, but Allan wanted to distance himself from the typical "fan of lego". I wanted to try to prove that he didn't come up with the title, but alas he (...) (23 years ago, 19-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Steve, I'm sorry, I don't quite understand your comment. (...) Nor this comment. Your point is lost on me. Perhaps you could elaborate a bit. Best regards, Allan B. (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have already responded to Steve by indicating that I honestly don't understand his comment. Is there something I'm missing here? (...) That was part of my point. Thank you for seeing it. (...) "come up with the title"? O.K. now you've lost (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is understood around .debate that if you mention the name Hitler you automatically concede the debate. That's all Steve was referring to. Geez, you guys need to lighten up! Maggie (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, Maggie, no can do - it's Christmas season! I'll lighten up again in January! Can someone please pass the Vegemite stuffing? ROSCO FUT .fun (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I guess it's not completely understood. ;) I've been posting to LUGNET for over 3 years. This isn't my first appearance in the .debate groups. This is certainly the first time I've seen the use of a name like that. It really seems in poor (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The name wasn't arbitrarily chosen like yelling "uncle". I think it has more to do with the tired examples involving Hitler that are invoked whenever someone can't think of anything better to support their argument. Here's a bit about it. (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm... I can't decide whether I'm hoping this is a joke or whether I'm hoping it's NOT a joke (in which case I'll be requesting the recipe Rosco!). Maggie (who also occasionally gets stumped in the absence of the smiley) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Maggie's already covered this, so I won't re-iterate her response. (...) When I say "AFOL" out loud, it sounds an awful lot like "awful". Sorry I forgot crosspost to .pun. "MOC" is another lugnetish acronym that doesn't make a very good (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Kinda like "IANAL"? (I Am Not A Lawyer) DaveE (FUT fun) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I hope it's a joke! I've never seen Vegemite stuffing, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone's tried it!! As for the recipe, well who needs recipes when Vegemite's involved, anyway? 8?) (...) I thought the FUT gave it away 8?) ROSCO (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Well, hate to burst your bubble, but 50-60K bricks in 3 years DOESN'T put you in the "major customer" bracket. That's a drop in the ocean. Some people around here have bought that many bricks (or more) in ONE DAY. And even that won't begin to (...) (23 years ago, 28-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Tom, You should be a bit more careful with your quoting - most of this was actually Allan's comments. Also, it makes things easier if you reply to the actual post you're quoting most from. Regards ROSCO (...) (23 years ago, 28-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tom, you're not bursting any bubble, you're simply confirming what I said. I am not, and do not consider myself to be a "major customer" by any definition. I have what I think is a fairly small collection for an adult. 50,000 bricks, spread (...) (23 years ago, 28-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, it's actually quite clear. As in the example above. ("I" am saying that YOU wrote the stuff that is marked with ">" symbols and YOU are saying that TOM wrote the stuff that is marked with ">>" symbols.) PLEASE DO NOT manually "correct" (...) (23 years ago, 28-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.nntp)
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(...) You're right, though it could be 250-300 pounds. I don't think I have a ton of bricks, either. Now half a million is sure to be a ton of bricks. (23 years ago, 30-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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My wife keeps joking about our 2nd floor apt not being able to handle the weight of the Lego - good thing that ton or more is spread out all over the place ;-) (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (23 years ago, 30-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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