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  Re: Contributer Agreement Version 3
 
(...) Two things here are wrong: 1) copyrights can be transferred. they can be assigned or liscenced, but the original copyright holder is always the copyright holder. when people sign away thier copyrights, they are typically signing a liscence (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement Version 3
 
(...) (disclosure: I am not a lawyer. These are just the opinions of a semi-logical mind.) From reading the document, it appears as though the CA gives LDraw the authority to release the parts at all. LDraw has no formal agreement (e.g. a written (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  2nd LSC: Election Results
 
The second LSC vote has terminated. The 2004-2005 LDraw.org Standards Committee is: Jacob Sparre Andersen Steve Bliss Tore Eriksson Lars Hassing Orion Pobursky There were a total of 16 respondents. -Tim (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)  
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement Version 3
 
(...) I'm not really sure what the CA says at this point in time. I was basing my statement off of the "Moving the LIcense Forward" message that Tim posted. (URL) In short, Tim stated that the both a CCAL (Createive Commons Attribution License) and (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement Version 3
 
(...) They are? The proposed CA doesn't say that, and that's not (necessarily) its intent. The CA is about the author granting LDraw.org a distribution license, along with further protections. Now, maybe that's what we *should* be talking about -- (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Request change to ptreleases.cgi
 
(...) Yes, that would be me. I had a messed up bug in my HTTP download code that took me a long time to track down. (Note that the bug didn't cause the unusally large number of downloads of the file; tracking down the bug did.) In general, I'm not a (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Request change to ptreleases.cgi
 
(...) Well, I think both would be appropriate. At this point, I haven't decided if I want to track down an open source unzip library to unzip the zip files, or just execute the other ones directly from LDView. But from the standpoint of the file (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement Version 3
 
(...) I honestly think that the CA immediately violates the CCAL (Creative Commons Attribution License) section 4a and is, thus, intrinsically unenforcable due to section 7a. Please read my other response to Orion the more complete response. (...) (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement Version 3
 
(...) Orion: I'm not a lawyer, but I'll give you my opinion for what it is worth... In my opinion, the problem is that LDraw.Org has no legal authority to change a part license unless it owns the copyright to the part. Here is the relevant verbiage (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement Version 3
 
(...) I am not quite sure that is true (although I can argue for it in terms of Danish contract law). (...) It depends (the usual answer, when you start discussing legal problems). The problem I can see with the CA is related to the way it gives (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement Version 3
 
(...) You make some very good points. I do have one question though: Isn't getting the Author to agree to the change procedure the same as them giving to consent to change? In other words, I give permission to change the license if the follow (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement Version 3
 
(...) Orion: The Creative Commons Attribution License (CCAL) is irrevocable (read section 7.) You can not lose a part that has been released under CCAL. The original author is free to stop distributing the original work (in this case a part), but (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)  
 
  Re: Request change to ptreleases.cgi
 
(...) Do you want sizes for the ZIP files or the ARJ-format EXEs? Steve (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Request change to ptreleases.cgi
 
(...) I always thought it should emit XML, which would make it really easy to add more info (like what you're suggesting) without affecting backwards compatibility. Maybe it's not too late to do that. From looking at the logs from the last few days, (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Request change to ptreleases.cgi
 
I have a request for a change to be made to the ptreleases.cgi script that keeps track of all parts updates. Unfortunately, if anyone has actually implemented support for automatic updates using this script, my suggested change might not be (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: I have an idea . What if we make a game
 
(...) wow nice, is sort of my idea but everything rendered with pov-ray. Who make it? and how? (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, FTX)
 
  Re: I have an idea . What if we make a game
 
(...) Well something easy to use I was thinking. (...) 2d = 2 dimensions like the game diablo If possible or like GTA 1 top view. (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: I have an idea . What if we make a game
 
Would it look sumwhat like this? (URL) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, FTX)
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement Version 3
 
(...) The CA really isn't a license in the traditional since. It's intended to be a codification of the current way we run acceptance of contributions (i.e. the status quo in words) with a little explanitory text thrown in and a procedure for (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: I have an idea . What if we make a game
 
(...) It is always best to start it out working on all platforms. There are several code libraries that can be used that are multiplatform. I think the most popluar is SDL (libsdl). If you used something Microsoft/Apple proprietary, like (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement Version 3
 
I've been away the past week, hence my lack of contribution until now... What problem does the CA solve? Since all of the parts are individually released under a creative commons attribution license, there is nothing to prevent LDraw.Org (or me for (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Contributer Agreement Version 3
 
Here's a link to Version 2 and the follow on discussion: (URL) version 3 of the CA. Again, if you have criticism, please also offer a solution if warrented. Changes: - Got rid of the "No Response" option. This is now incorporated into the text of (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw) ! 
 
  Re: LDraw Sessions @ SIGGRAPH
 
(...) As far as I know this are accessible to everyone, from the lowest cost pass on up. -Orion (20 years ago, 19-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.events, lugnet.loc.us.ca.la, FTX)
 
  Re: LDraw Sessions @ SIGGRAPH
 
(...) Cool, do you know if either of these sessions are accessable with the "Exhibits Plus" registrations? I'd like to save a few hundred bucks :) Take care, Gary (20 years ago, 19-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.events, lugnet.loc.us.ca.la, FTX)
 
  LDraw Sessions @ SIGGRAPH
 
LDraw.org will host two back-to-back Birds of a Feather sessions at (URL) SIGGRAPH 2004> this year. Last year was LDraw.org's first year participating in SIGGRAPH. LDraw activities included an activity area at a LEGO fan booth and an introductory (...) (20 years ago, 19-Jul-04, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad, lugnet.events, lugnet.loc.us.ca.la, FTX) ! 
 
  Re: I have an idea . What if we make a game
 
(...) a space colonization game. no pre-built model, everyone has to build his models from hard earned bricks. some play the Exploriens trying to expand and unreveal E.T. secrets, other play UFOs trying to hide and conquer by converting their (...) (20 years ago, 19-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  I have an idea . What if we make a game
 
I was thinking since I started to like the game Diablo and other RPG for their great features. Why don't we do a game ? Not just a single player game that has a start and an end but something like an MMORPG well if is possible online if not why not (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement v2
 
(...) I'd like a no-cost restriction. In other words, anything covered can be distributed for free. This doesn't mean you can't charge, it just means that you don't have to charge. Or maybe all this is implied by the above? Do we need to explicitly (...) (20 years ago, 16-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement v2
 
(...) Yes, you're right, a combo of 1 & 2 should cover 3. When I was trimming so much out of your license I should have been more careful in adding bits :) Can anyone think of anything that ought to be in 'Base Level' of rights ? Peter (20 years ago, 16-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement v2
 
(...) <snip> I like the rest of your comments so I've snipped them out. I do have a qustion on the below. (...) Isn't 3 redundant and cover by the 1? -Orion (20 years ago, 16-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement v2
 
Here is my take on this second version of the license Peter (...) And you've changed the first EndUser license from Creative Commons Share Alike License [1] to Creative Commons Attribute License [2] I presume this was because of the ShareAlike (...) (20 years ago, 16-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Blender/LDraw work for SIGGRAPH
 
I'm happy to see people talking a bit about Blender and LDraw here. I've been in touch with Ton Roosendaal of the Blender community for a few weeks now, we're planning to get together at SIGGRAPH, attend each other's BOF sessions, and talk about how (...) (20 years ago, 16-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.events, FTX)
 
  Re: Variants of 4.5v / 12v train motors
 
(...) I checked my motors again, only one per type (I didn't want to dismantle all my locomotives that use the motors). Here are my measurement results: x570c01 (blue): Outer plug diameter: 5 mm Inner plug diameter: 2.1 mm Plug height: 2.1 mm (...) (20 years ago, 16-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Blender LDraw support
 
(...) Part detection is problematic due to changes over time in the library. For reference, LDView uses the following to identify parts: File is in the Parts directory, and isn't a descendent of any other parts at the time the file is loaded (sub (...) (20 years ago, 15-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: LDRAWPREDIRS LDRAWPOSTDIRS - additional search paths
 
(...) Directory separators were added in DOS 2, which accepted both / and \ for that purpose. The feature was imitated from Unix. At the time, there also appeared a config.sys setting for *switch* character, which would default to / but could be set (...) (20 years ago, 15-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Variants of 4.5v / 12v train motors
 
(...) Would you be able to take a critical look at the sizes of the connector studs and the holes in them. There is a suggestion that these differ between the versions designed to work with the old Blue 2-pin connectors ((URL) those which fit the (...) (20 years ago, 15-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.trains)
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement v2
 
(...) Thanks! Maybe even crosslink, with the first post in the continued tree pointing (with an explicit label) back to the root of the previous tree too. (...) Yes! (20 years ago, 15-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.admin.general)
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement v2
 
(...) Very good idea! (...) And it helps future readers when the linkage is spelled out explicitly. Steve (20 years ago, 15-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.admin.general)
 
  Re: 2003-2004 LSC Annual Report
 
(...) (snip) (...) I'd like to personally thank the 2003-2004 LDraw.org Standards Committee for their hard work over the last year on behalf of the community. I am sure I am not speaking just for myself when I say that it is appreciated! (20 years ago, 15-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributer Agreement v2
 
(...) I wish 100 was a user selectable option, or an option by group or something. But I don't know enough server internals to know if that's feasible. (...) One of the primary ways that I do LUGNET research (and the way I used to do the research on (...) (20 years ago, 15-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.admin.general)


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