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In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Orion Pobursky wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Wayne Gramlich wrote:
> > I've been away the past week, hence my lack of contribution until now...
> >
> > What problem does the CA solve? Since all of the parts are individually
> > released under a creative commons attribution license, there is nothing
> > to prevent LDraw.Org (or me for that matter) from collecting the various
> > parts together and releasing them as a library.
> >
> > I've inserted a couple of comments in the agreement below.
> >
> > Totally confused,
>
>
> The CA really isn't a license in the traditional since. It's intended to be a
> codification of the current way we run acceptance of contributions (i.e. the
> status quo in words) with a little explanitory text thrown in and a procedure
> for changing the status quo if it become necessary to do so. This is needed
> because people come and go from the hobby and if we don't spell out exactly how
> changes can be made and get the athors to agree to the procedure in advance
> we'll be right back in the boat we are now with the very real possibility of
> losing parts from the library because an author cannot be contacted.
Orion:
The Creative Commons Attribution License (CCAL) is irrevocable
(read section 7.) You can not lose a part that has been released
under CCAL. The original author is free to stop distributing the
original work (in this case a part), but s/he can not prevent the
LDraw.Org from redistributing it. S/he can not prevent LDraw.Org
or other interested parties from modifying the work/part either.
Once you have all parts under the CCAL, you will never be in
the situation where you might loose parts. Thus, the CA is
unnecessary to prevent part lossage.
Indeed, I'll go one step further, the CA is totally unenforcable.
Unless, LDraw.Org requires that the part copyrights be
transferred to LDraw.Org, it is completely illegal for LDraw.Org
to change the license to the parts without getting permission
from each part owner. Only the copyright holder can change
the license. No amount of verbiage you put in the CA is going
to give LDraw.Org that permission unless there is an actual
transfer of part copyrights to LDraw.Org. Luckily, there is no
need to change the CCAL since its only requirement is that
you keep the original author attribution with the part.
Please note, I understand the desire to be able to change
the part license in the future, but the CA as written does not
come close to acheiving that goal. Until the CA starts talking
about transferring copyrights to LDraw.Org, it will not be possible
for LDraw.Org to change the part license away from CCAL.
It is my personal opinion that the CCAL is adequate by itself,
transferring copyrights to LDraw.Org is not worth the hassle.
-Wayne
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| (...) You make some very good points. I do have one question though: Isn't getting the Author to agree to the change procedure the same as them giving to consent to change? In other words, I give permission to change the license if the follow (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| (...) Two things here are wrong: 1) copyrights can be transferred. they can be assigned or liscenced, but the original copyright holder is always the copyright holder. when people sign away thier copyrights, they are typically signing a liscence (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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