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(...) Give them time. Brad said they are doing an investigation into the incident and will post about it when they have more facts. --Todd (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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James Powell <wx732@freenet.victoria.bc.ca> wrote: [stuff i've snipped] [then from larry:] (...) [james' comments on napster snipped] Copyright law is very different from that for trade secrets. This discussion should go to .off-topic.debate -- it's (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Was it? LSI has _NOT_ opted to publicly post what they privately E-mailed to Todd on this issue. So, we are into the land of speculation as to if LSI considered it proprietary. (...) _big_ paintbrush here Lar. What about:hmm, my organ albums? (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Thanks for digging harder than I did, and... you sir, are a gentleman, I appreciate the retraction. Look on the bright side, the base fine appears to be capped at 5e6. Now if we're talking Lira I can cover that. :-) (...) Ya, it is a detriment (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) I apologize. My statement is true for copyright law (with which I am much more familiar), but apparently not so for trade secrets. (This is where all of those I Am Not A Lawyer disclaimers come in.) (URL) However, I also find it interesting (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Feel free to provide a cite. I don't have a Lexis ID but the 10 minutes I spent on altavista looking mostly bolstered the opposite view. That's not a definitive proof, mind you, as people are sloppy with words all the time. Till then, and (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) For that matter, so are the borders of most any subset of Intellectual Property Law today... --Todd (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) That I do understand. I now await the letter/E-mail asking me to cease and decease. James (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) hehehe! (good one Todd!) (...) OK, then here goes. (URL)I have to point out here that "fact" is in direct conflict with the "O" in (...) point taken. (...) No. In my line of work (Military), anything that is _NOT_ classified is free for (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Of course, the issue of posting a link to something is very different from the issue of hosting/publishing that something. (...) Actually, I don't mean to misquote Lar...he said something about a package and a bowtie, but it wasn't about (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Put another way, to use a phrase that Matthew Miller just used, (URL) borders of trade secret law are not only fuzzy and indeterminate and case-by-case, but they are also changing every day. --Todd (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) What you can and can't do is governed by physics, I think. :) What you may and may not do is covered in the T&C of the discussion groups, part of the LUGNET Terms of Use Agreement, (URL) tries to be clear, but since life is gray (not black and (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Larry -- you use the word "steal" here, and "theft" in your subject. This frames the question in colored terms. In my understanding, violation of intellectual property rights is not theft under the law. (And is unlike material theft in several (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) OK, I am going to TRU this evening, with the list (or at least one set on it) as a private cit, and I will ask about that spicific set...and see if something comes up. This is no more than a humble guess on my part...I mean, I will ask if any (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) happen (...) what (...) I think this guidance is just plain old common sense... if the information was obtained by you in a way that the general public, acting in a lawful manner and complying with all restrictions on behaviour that are in (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Simple. Was the discussion on Lego products? Yes. Was the discussion on allegedly public info? Yes. Therefore, does it belong on LUGNET, and is it within the above and the TOS? Yes. What Jorge did was the digital eq. of looking in a catalog, (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) I have (and don't worry, I'm not likely to go postal over it!) Forgive me for asking, but I thought the _purpose_ of LUGNET was to: www.lugnet.com/admin/plan do all of the above. The limits on LUGNET are imposed by: (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) translation? If you don't want it to be ready "yesterday" I'll be happy to translate it (give me a day or two) ... CiaoCiaoSergio (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.loc.it, lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Okie dokie, ya, good point! Now says this: Notice: This is a historical document which outlines site philosophy, motivations, directions, intentions, and so forth. This document does not embody any rules or regulations and should not be (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Wow! I'm nitpicking but I think you may be swinging too far the other way. I would change the second sentence a bit to acknowledge that there IS some bearing and connection, this is a vision (well, not just a vision, a manifesto because it's (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) BTW, James, even without the above notice, I don't even remotely see how you or anyone could misinterpret "To help people share information about LEGO products and LEGO-related resources on the World Wide Web by setting in motion a (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) I have added a notice to the /admin/plan/ page which reads: Notice: This is a historical document which outlines site philosophy, motivations, directions, intentions, and so forth. This document does not have any bearing on or connection with (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Forgive me, that was rude. What I mean is, slow down, take a breather here. Think things through a bit more. --Todd (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) You did not say that it was in the T&C, and you did correctly identify its source. However, I did not say or imply that you thought or said or implied that it came from the T&C. What I said is that it has nothing to do with the T&C. It is not (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) UM? Where did I say it was in the T&C, I believe right above it I said _exactly_ where it came from. Is the above accurate? (I hope so), then it is part and parcel of your site mandate. Go to: www.lugnet.com/lego/...ect/?n=522 to see exactly (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) James, Above, as Mike Timm just pointed out, you quoted something which has absolutely nothing to do with the Terms and Conditions here or the Terms of Use Agreement. What you quoted was from a plan document -- a manifesto -- a public (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.terms)
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Hello, Italy! On the www.lugnet.com website, I would like to offer an Italian-language version of the LUGNET Terms of Use Agreement document, which currently only exists on the site in English: (2 URLs) there anyone who might volunteer to do an (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.loc.it, lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Gotta disagree with that one. If it were companies (or individuals, for that matter) who got to decide what their own rights were, we'd all be in trouble. What if they said that "All four-digit numbers are trade secrets. Don't use them."? Of (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) No, I'm not implying that. I believe that it's possible that some things related to this might possibly potentially violate some privacy law somewhere, and I believe that it's potentially likely that some things related to this may be (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Todd: I realise that your best answer for this is the first thing you said here- that you aren't a lawyer- but are you really implying that discussing this information- in any way, in any forum- violates the law or infinges on TLC's rights? I (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Do you mean why does LUGNET have this policy/requirement as part of the T&C? Because it benefits the community more in the long run to have this requirement in place than not to have it. Or, from a site survivalist point of view, it benefits (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Actually, it is the key question in a court case ongoing in NYC right now...Is a link to a site that contains something illegal if a cease and decease order has been granted? I am refering to DeCSS, and www.2600.com, it makes for interesting (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) That's a question for Brad or LEGO Legal via Brad. I am not a lawyer, so I can't give you legal advice on how not to break the law or how to avoid infringing on the LEGO company's rights. The policy is: Don't infringe on anyone's privacy or (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Is that your policy Todd? Can I talk all of the about the sets that I know about? If we find out about leaked information (from some other site for example), can we talk about that information in other casual conversations on Lugnet? Ben (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Reminder: Don't post auction announcements or updates to .buy-sell-trade -- that's what the .auction newsgroup is for. Please re-read: (URL) (24 years ago, 2-Aug-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.market.auction, lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Kyle, Please take a few moments to review the LUGNET Terms of Use Agreement, (URL) you agreed to when you signed up. Specifically, please note that it is not OK to post auction announcements to discussion groups which do not explicitly welcome (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.space, lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) That's the point I think. Selçuk (24 years ago, 17-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.terms, lugnet.faq)
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(...) Might not be important, but it might be interesting. After all, part of having a community is meeting people, right? (24 years ago, 17-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.terms, lugnet.faq)
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(...) That's ridiculous. It's not like that at all. It's like meeting someone you don't know at a lego convention, and they give you their card. I've done that. It's got my name and e-mail address on it, it's small, it's convenient, it's an accepted (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.terms, lugnet.faq)
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(...) Marc, I don't understand. Should people be ashamed of where they work or what they do? (24 years ago, 17-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.terms, lugnet.faq)
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