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Theft, Definitive statements vs shaping thoughts(was Re: 2001 Set info
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lugnet.admin.terms
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Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:18:41 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.terms, James Powell writes:
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> > BTW, James, even without the above notice, I don't even remotely see how you
> > or anyone could misinterpret
> >
> > "To help people share information about LEGO products and LEGO-related
> > resources on the World Wide Web by setting in motion a community-driven
> > knowledge-base."
> >
> > as some sort of blessing to publish anything to your heart's content in a
> > newsgroup, even if you did someone mistakenly believe that it was part of
> > or related to the T&C (which it isn't).
> >
> > Do tell!
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> Simple. Was the discussion on Lego products? Yes. Was the discussion on
> allegedly public info? Yes. Therefore, does it belong on LUGNET, and is it
> within the above and the TOS? Yes.
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> What Jorge did was the digital eq. of looking in a catalog, that is hanging on
> the end of a asle. (I know at least one TRU that puts the retailers cat. at
> the end of the asle) Therefore, are you next going to remove discussion on
> something which someone has seen at TRU in a catalog? How about if they • happen
> to see boxes labeled with 71xx, Escape Pod as they are working at a loading
> dock?
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> We (the LUGNET community) need some guidance as to what is acceptable, and • what
> is not.
I think this guidance is just plain old common sense... if the information was
obtained by you in a way that the general public, acting in a lawful manner
and complying with all restrictions on behaviour that are in place (for
example not going into the back rooms of stores, just to pick one of many)
cannot use, then unless you are certain (and can document it) that it's OK to
post, you're not ok. This rules out posting stuff that you stole, stuff that
you peeked into, stuff that you got because you work on a loading dock or with
a retail system etc.
I guess I'm dismayed that this question even came up. You seem to be asking
when is it OK to steal stuff, in essence. Like I said way back when the price
tag incident arose, it's not ok to mess with store property or store
information because you happen to be in a store or happen to be a store
employee. Information of this sort isn't free, its property and you are
constrained (by regulations imposed on you as a condition of entry or a
condition of employment, respectively) in what you can do.
It's not some sort of game where if someone can steal it, get away with it,
and post it to a public place that suddenly makes it OK for everyone else to
make copies of it and talk about it. That way lies lawlessness. Or do you
think that Napster users aren't engaged in stealing, for example?
Scott Arthur prattling about how this is my opinion and my opinion only
notwithstanding. Guess what. No one except Todd is going to make definitive
statements about what policy here is, it's all opinion and there isn't going
to be a nice neat tidy package with a bow on it that ends the debate. But you
have to decide whose opinions you value and whose you think are pretty much
rubbish. I have my mental list with hundreds of names on it. (its categorized
by topic, when for example you talk about continental RR stuff or the RCN, I
tend to give you a fair bit of credence... :-) ) I suspect I know where I am
on a lot of other people's lists too.
What we're doing is influencing policy, and providing opinions to shape other
people's thinking and actions if they so choose. That's the way free discourse
works.
++Lar
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| (...) Simple. Was the discussion on Lego products? Yes. Was the discussion on allegedly public info? Yes. Therefore, does it belong on LUGNET, and is it within the above and the TOS? Yes. What Jorge did was the digital eq. of looking in a catalog, (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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