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(...) I don't think it's a problem with LUGNET. Check the Last Read Server Article (or equivalent option) that tells the newsreader not to download anything too old - it may be based on the date. Have you just done connected to LUGNET on Turnpike or (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) working (...) problem (...) I'm going through the permutations now. I'm posting these using the web i/f. The Usenet newsgroups seem ok, it's just lugnet. I've unsubscribed to nearly everything to see if I can work out what's happening. (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Sussed it. My newsreader is sending: NEWNEWS rec.toys.lego 000101 160804 GMT to the Demon newsserver, which recognises it as (20)000101 and NEWNEWS lugnet.loc.uk 000101 161723 GMT to lugnet, which doesn't. I don't know what to do about this. (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) slrn seems to be having similar problems with newgroups. Annoying! (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) They claim to have fixed this in 9.5.4. Guess not. :) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Looks like your newsreader (and mine) is actually correct. From RFC 977: NEWGROUPS date time [GMT] [<distributions>] A list of newsgroups created since <date and time> will be listed in the same format as the LIST command. The date is sent as (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Y2K problem with lugnet! (was Re: Help! My newsreader's downloading everything on lugnet!)
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(...) Todd, I think this is an actual problem: jadzia:~$ telnet lugnet.com nntp Trying 209.68.63.236... Connected to lugnet.com. Escape character is '^]'. 200 lugnet.com NNTP[auth] server version 1.5.12.2 (9 Jan 1996) ready at Sat J 1 16:22:58 2000 (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Agreed -- definitely a bona fide Y2K bug in all its glory. Hopefully I can find a patch for this, otherwise I'll dig in and fix it myself. (Have got the source, thankfully. :) --Todd (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Whoo hoo. For what it's worth, it's the second one I've come across today -- I "fixed" (ie reset the date in the BIOS) a POS system at a store in Northampton. Felt pretty proud of myself. :) (...) Are you using INN? I know that the newest (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yeah, I noticed that too. I turned it into an opportunity to reinstall Agent and set it up to store the folders for my various news servers on one of my home areas at the office. Then I discovered how SLOOOOOW things would work if I kept it (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yeah, we need better distributed filesystems. AFS works okay, but it's really pricy. And Coda just ain't there yet. In the meantime, you could use CVS to replicate things. (-> .off-topic.geek) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) No -- it's using C News, because it's got a much smaller memory footprint than INN and is better suited to serving large numbers of simultaneous NNTP connections to small numbers of groups (groups in the hundreds rather than tens of (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Update: Well, that fixes the NEWGROUPS command all right, but the NEWNEWS command is doing something more insidious afterwards with date strings. Still digging...old nntpd is still in place. Oddly, the NNTP Reference Implementation distro (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) OK, the other thing the NEWNEWS command was doing was comparing 12-character date strings (for example, "991231235959" is the last second of 1999) as generated by a function ltod() which called sprintf with values obtained via gmtime(), which (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) :) Good job; and thanks. (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) CVS? (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: Y2K problem with lugnet! (was Re: Help! My newsreader's downloading everything on lugnet!)
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(...) The NNTP protocol is _not_ Y2K broken going by the quoted bit of RFC, though. Assuming Epoch for NNTP is the reasonable assumption, and the RFC specifies what to do with that assumption - so NNTP isn't broken for another 70 years (By which (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Sorry, you're right, and I didn't mean to misquote Matthew. Anyway, I didn't mean broken in the non-workable sense, I meant broken in the poorly-designed sense[1]. The NNTP protocol shouldn't have to define that a two-digit year means 1900+xx (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Oh, absolutely. (...) Yup. Maybe this was back when dates in Date: were also stored as two digits? (At least, ISTR that used to be the case). Ah well, on to Y10K. Jasper (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Actually, long before that, there'll be problems with all the windowing dates people picked.... Like, is 700101 for 2070? :) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Unix. C<ommand?> Versioning System. See the man pages. Jasper (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Concurrent Versions System. <URL:(URL) It's primarily used on Unix, but there is support for clients on many operating systems, including MS Win95/NT, OS/2, MacOS, etc. You probably would still want a *nix box to use as the server (central (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) True enough. Well, there's always the 32-bit Unix date wraparound to get paranoid about. :) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Well, yeah, but those don't all happen at the same time.. And most of the truly critical systems can't use windowing anyway, due there being people who live longer than 100 years, etc.etc. Jasper (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Awrighty, I just installed the new nntpd on the other 3 ports. Now all four ports of 119, 1119, 8000, and 8080 have the new nntpd. Tony, has the problem now vanished? --Todd [cc'ing a copy to Tony via email] (25 years ago, 3-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Todd Lehman (<387104e3.86108693@...gnet.com>) wrote at 20:24:53 (...) Yep. Thanks very much :-) While I could just about follow your code, I couldn't really contribute anything useful, so I just bowed out for a while. I *do* now (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Spiffy! Are you going to make the patches publicly available somewhere? Maybe there's a CNews newsgroup? Jasper (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) The patches are pretty simple, just line replacements, and the second one (the ltod() one) is a semi-bogus hack that could blow up other parts of the nntpd if anyone ever adds additional calls to ltod() that assumed a 6-character output string (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Leapyears (was Y2K problem with lugnet! (was Re: Help...))
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In lugnet.admin.general, Todd Lehman writes: ... (...) Way back in 1983, someone reported a "problem" with our operating system not figuring leap years correctly, and was given this explanation (and I was worried about posting this until I found it (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) <URL:(URL) "an extra calendar day is added every four years, as was first done in 46 BC, with the establishment of the Julian calendar. Over many centuries, the difference between the approximate value 0.25 day and the more accurate 0.242 day (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) LOL! --Todd (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Thanks for the redirect... I realized it should go in .geek but unfortionately that realization came post-posting. -S (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) OK, just found this via Deja.com -- a guy named Dan Glover did some relatively extensive work on this about 3-4 weeks ago: (URL) think his solutions are a bit more robust than what I did[1], and I'll probably install his patch in place of my (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Come now, atomic clocks aren't that expensive. Probably you can get one for $10k or less. Surplus should be way cheaper. Jasper (25 years ago, 5-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Nobody said they were or weren't! DEC was just saying that they chose not to be a supplier. Whoever it was at DEC that wrote that response is a brilliant master of the art of educating and amusing at the same time. At least that's my opinion. (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) at least not back in '83 :-) nah, actually never did that I know of at any point afterwards either. oh well, would have been a cool feature. -S (25 years ago, 5-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Dan Glover - the name seems familiar, but I can't figure out from his Author Profile from where. Maybe from a mailing list or something. Or from one of the Places that aren't on deja. (...) Saw Dan posted twice to there within Deja's archive (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Danny Glover from Lethal Weapon(s)? :) Julie (25 years ago, 5-Jan-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Re: Leap-seconds (was: Re: Leapyears (was Y2K problem with lugnet! (was Re: Help...)))
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(...) Absolutely. I've seen it (or possibly a link) posted in the Sacry Devil Monastery and/or the Other Place fairly recently. The denizens all had a good laugh. (...) xntpd. Jasper (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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