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Hiya, Here are a few details on LUGNET member pages... Nothing in just stone yet, but that's why this is being posted. Looking for opinions on how useful this sounds to you... -- Member pages on LUGNET will initially be text-based. Someday if we (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.general)
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(...) I was messing around last week with a personal page based on the LUGNET layout. Basically, it had the same information in the to (dark-blue) area, LUGNET logo in the left of the light-blue, links to my favorite LUGNET newsgroups in the middle, (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Regarding the comments for a markup language: I'm no genius and I learned the most basic HTML 1.0 in about 15 seconds. I think it is very easy to understand and completely intuitive. Why would I want to learn another markup language? A proprietary (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) If HTML were chosen, then not only would it require a full-blown HTML parser/ validator to prevent garbage like <TABLE BORDER=8 CELLPADDING=10 BGCOLOR="#FF0000"><TR><TD> <FONT COLOR="#00FF00" SIZE="+4"><B> <BLINK>THIS IS MY <BIG>COOL</BIG> (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd: Just a minor detail. (...) This one is actually legal. I think your suggestion looks fine (but it isn't much work to handle HTML if you use nsgmls[1]). Play well, Jacob 1) <URL:(URL) is generated by a _tcsh_ script that uses nsgmls for parsing (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Omitting the ; isn't deprecated and highly discouraged? I guess that wasn't a good example, anyway. The one I've seen people have the most trouble with is © -- someone presumably has originally written Copyright © 1999 Blah blah blah (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) heh heh, well, I guess geocities is out of the picture now, given the bad press they're getting: (URL) this whole recent Yahoo!/GeoCities stink yet another reason not to do full HTML hosting here. Not out of fear, but out of wisdom. The more (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Thanks Todd for your concise explanation. It indeed makes sense. It did not occur to me that folks would use other that the most *simple* html tags. I guess that is why I am not a sysadmin type guy! Keep up the great work! John Matthews Todd Lehman (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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[Just a sidenote, I ended up registering on lugnet to post this, Hi Everybody] In lugnet.admin.general, thou, Todd Lehman (lehman@javanet.com), hast wrytted... (...) Todd, I work in online publishing of scientific journals, and well you drew me out (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.general)
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(...) Hi! Welcome! I'll try to respond to things point-by-point below... (...) Me too. But just because something -can- be done another way, doesn't mean the other way is necessarily better. I can grind wheat with the butt-end of a Coke bottle, but (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.general)
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(...) they'll be OK. I see they've taken another step closer to this (the first step was to explicit state that they don't own the content, but that was actually a non-step). Now, they only claim a license to do whatever they want with the content (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hmm, interesting, I just sort-of half-randomly stumbled onto yet another markup format... It goes like this: You type text as paragraphs separated by blank lines, and you put special characters in column 1 if you want to do something special (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Reconsider not considering it. And add spell checking as well. To those of you who read my posts, spellchecking would be a welcome relief (you don't need to search Dejanews for proof). And I'd love to be able to format text in posts to LUGNET. (25 years ago, 5-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Huh?! Why? It's the most disgusting thing I've ever seen! A single character in column 1 to modify the entire line? That's somewhat intuitive for *, ], and >, but for b and i and c it's pathetic. (...) Chell specking would be fun. Anyway, it (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Todd, (...) Have you checked out any of the already-existing "text to html" converters out there? I've been trying out various template/markup schemes for my own webpages (since hand-coding html simply doesn't scale beyond a few pages), and I came (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Whoops -- ambiguity alert again... Darn it, when will I learn to write?! By "it" in "if it fit in nicely," I meant whatever markup is chosen for member-pages, not the one mentioned three nodes up on the thread. (Darn antecedents! :-) --Todd (25 years ago, 5-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I'm in shock. I guess you were never as DOS based as I was. B I and C were the keys in Word Perfect( and several other Dos based word processors) for those exact commands (usually with the <ALT> or <CTRL> key). (25 years ago, 5-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) existing out there will be able to handle URLs precisely the way I need them to work, but maybe the authors allow extraction of bits & pieces of their code, if anything should happen to be particularly useful for mixing and matching. If (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) LOL!!! OK, I guess some things in DOS, like \ instead of /, are more disgusting than (...) Oh heck, sure -- that makes perfect sense there! :) In fact, I'm sure those letters must be common keys for those command in lots of word processors. (C (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) [...] I'm sure there are others out there. I found those via AltaVista, and CPAN may list others. (...) Well, fine, then. You know what I mean... Say, have you considered POD? (ducks...) :^) -Tim (25 years ago, 5-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) OK Ed, I just quickly went back to my History file in my web browser and checked the original source...it does indeed let you change formatting right in the middle of a sentence like that -- although it will not properly abut the comma against (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Todd Lehman wrote in several messages ... (...) ... (...) [Todd], {I} must have (missed the start <of this>, but why)? _All_ you're doing is (forcing) people l{i}ke me to write <[pre>-processors] to remove the [garbage] that (you{'}<ve)> let (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) LOL!!! OK, I shouldn't've crossposted to .off-topic.geek without giving a link (with that weird URL thing I do) to the top-level node in the thread, explaining what this was all about. Here's that: (URL) one clean way to do lines like your (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Correctamundo - that sucks. (...) Well there's always Suz :') Sorry, couldn't resist. Keep in mind that it's a huuuuuge bonus if this (...) Agreed. (25 years ago, 5-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) We aim to amuse. (...) Hmm. Makes a little more sense now. (...) The trouble is that they will still ask how the "elite" people get their special powers to do formatting, and whine when their malformed efforts (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I don't quite grok. By COBOL-style comments do you mean something in column 1 affecting the rest of the line? And if so, why do you feel it is bad to mix that with paired (open/close) constructs? Take C++ for example -- it offers two types of (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Update: Here's some sample input/output going down one currently-favored path... The details of the content in this sample aren't important (it's just a personal e-mail with some ramblings) but the makeup of it is important... I wanted to grab (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message ... >In lugnet.admin.general, Chris Moseley writes: >> But regardless, please don't mix meta types. I suppose it's worth noting that I'm very unlikely to be a user of this language, because I don't virtually emote (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Ahh, I see...you're thinking in actual terms of a programming language. But this is a simple text-formatting thing, not a programming language. But even in terms of programming languages: much success can be had with a preprocessor which uses (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) [...] (...) cool. -Tim (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Yeah, we're both hardcore computer geeks -- although he's gone back to school now to complete his graduate studies in ecology. Over the past 20 years he's taught me most of what I know about programming and design, so I try to give back what I (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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