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I have been around LUGNET since the beginning. I don't really post much, hell, I don't think I've posted in over a year. But I do have an opinion on this subject..and here it is (probably ban worthy...but who cares, all the infighting here makes it (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general) !!
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(...) Just to let you know, this feeling is not limited to NELUG. In fact it is an international concern. If Larry were not an admin I wouldn't care, but he *is* and admin and therefore it affects LUGNET significantly. Unfortunatly there is no (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general) !
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(...) I think it is outrageous to completely ignore someone's input because you don't like them. Larry has told me that I am a "button pusher" and that my "opinion carries less and less weight with [him] over time" Disagree with the admins once, and (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX) !
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(...) I missed the significance of this on the first reading, but it got me thinking: Eventually, I assume the LUGNET Transition Team is going to hand over control to some other governing body once it gets sorted what the future for LUGNET is going (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) That's mostly accurate, I would add "or one or more site owner(s) remove a staff member from their position." The reason it's stated in such a way stems from the current structure of LUGNET ownership... Todd and Suzanne are the owners of (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I don't think that looking at only priveledges is a more accurate way to look at these issues. I think you only address part of the issue. The P&P and ToU already define everything as priveledges, but this means they can be taken away. Rights (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I think that's accurate, yes. (...) Playing devil's advocate, I would ask why you would expect that as a right? It's not a right I think you would expect from most other people. For example, I don't expect fair and just treatment from the (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Just to make things clear...the views I expressed are my own, and not indicative of the rest on NELUG. Tom D (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I would be interested to hear the rationale behind that statement, specifically why it is more of a safety valve than majority decision. The reason I ask is that I, as a non-admin, see it as *removing* a safety valve. ROSCO (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) The admin team has worked on a consensus basis, and the theory (OK, my theory) was that if a fellow admin was problematic enough to need to be removed, they would be the ones that would need to agree about it. A majority vote system might be (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I assume you mean they, the (other) admins? (...) Well maybe, but I'm not sure "should be expected to come to consensus" is very useful here. What if a majority do agree that an admin is a problem, but they can't all come to a consensus? At (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) ...and that is why he will not stand down even when it is the right thing to do... he is here for our good! lol. His nefarious activities are good for us! IMO, it is time the other admins had a quiet word with him. (...) Don't be a fool. It is (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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<snip> It just makes me sick that a post such as this is the top highlight. What do you think would run through a visiting 8-yearold's mind when they read this? (URL) -Duane (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I agree. I wish there were ways to prevent *my* posts from being highlight. Admin is the correct place ti discuss this stuff, not out there for people who don't care to see. Kevin (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Tom Duggan wrote: snip (...) Yet another good reason to tighten our borders! I am sure there are plenty of US citizens that could fill those jobs but they would want more money and benefits(1) ;) (1) And probably would want (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) In other words, we should complain to Todd and Suzanne directly? Either that or hope that the day will come when Todd and Suzanne will "let go" of Lugnet so that Lugnet really can become more democratic. Note that I mean no disrespect for (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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I can't imagine that an 8 year old would pay any attention at all to this discussion. The only people who care about this are the adults acting like children, not children themselves. I can't for the life of me understand why people having a (...) (20 years ago, 26-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Jake, I'm happy to say that this has happened to a large degree already. Thanks for the input. Kevin (20 years ago, 26-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I didn't have an issue with the post(1) or the language in it so much as its appearance in the Spotlight section. It was posted to the .admin hierarchy which in and of itself limits the number of people paying attention to it IMO. And as has (...) (20 years ago, 26-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Well first off I would like to apologize to Duane, I wasn't specifically refering to you, nor did I mean to imply you were childish, but instead I meant people getting really mad over lego issues is silly. I guess I was trying to say that life is (...) (20 years ago, 27-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I just asked in the admin.suggestions for the ability to prevent or remove highlights for any of my posts. I would have much rather kept this local to admin.general. I think the discussion was important for LUGNET, but not good to subject all (...) (20 years ago, 27-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hello, I don't post much neither and been here a long time (#98)! But HUMMMM what a debate!!!! I would like to interject my point of vew about people and LUGNET. When I became a member and made a $100 contribution for LUGNET, it was because it (...) (20 years ago, 30-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Jean-Marc, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It's nice to hear positive comments and you make some quite valid points. In case you don't receive expected feedback, I want to inform you that the lugnet.admin area is currently carrying out an (...) (20 years ago, 30-Apr-05, to lugnet.general)
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a little more info, because folks deserve to know... Thus far everyone has honored an unofficial request: (URL) am extremely grateful, and I hope some others are also. I'll be in Boston talking with Todd Lehman in person Mon-Wed about LUGNET. After (...) (20 years ago, 30-Apr-05, to lugnet.general)
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Thank you for posting that. e (20 years ago, 30-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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