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| | | (...) change (...) Jake - get ready for some more griping. I hope you will continue to forward these gripe emails to the decision makers on this matter. Yes, this did open new wounds and I'm still astounded that TLC does not get it. But I would also (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Mark Riley
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| | | | (...) Well, somewhere in all the "good thinking" you will probably find the word "Bionicle". Not even Jake would be able to put enough spin on that for us AFOLs to swallow it... ;-) Hence, the reasoning will remain a mystery to us. At least I have (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Jindrich Kubec
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| | | | | (...) But, I know it's a blasphemy, but I think for Bionicle and Technic the new colours will look better. I've got new Toa Nuju and it looks good with the new colours. (...) Anybody knows why Peeron is calling the new colors DkStone and MdStone? (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Scott Lyttle
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| | | | | | | <snip> (...) Those names are what Lego has given to them...pure and simple. Scott Lyttle (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Thomas Stangl
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| | | | | | | | What colorblind IDIOT named the New Dark Grey stone? It is anything BUT stone in color. I haven't seen a single person liken it to natural stones. All liken it to metals. (...) -- Tom Stangl *(URL) Visual FAQ home *(URL) Visual FAQ Home (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —David Laswell
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| | | | | | (...) Ugh! No! Dark-bley even clashes with white. The only one that actually doesn't clash is Toa Nokama (even Toa Whenua looks a bit off with the white and blue connector pieces on an otherwise black/bley design) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Mark Riley
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| | | | | | (...) There's been no mention of whether white is "universal" or not. But since it clashes so much with the new permanent colors, I think it's only a matter of time before we can kiss it goodbye, too. Mark (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —David Laswell
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| | | | | | (...) I doubt it very much. Natural ABS is a slightly translucent cream color, and white is probably the hardest color to achieve. Heavy metal pigments are no longer legal in the US (which is why brown/tan plastic electrical fixtures are no longer (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) In all seriousness, do you suppose that this is how MEGABLOKS does it? I've noticed for years that their "white" is more "white" than LEGO "white," but I never knew the underlying reason. Is there a simple, reliable way to discern the (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —David Laswell
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Absolutely. Different plastics have different natural colors. Some start out clear, others start out white, and those are basically the only colors that can achieve a true white (since hobby shops generally only sell white styrene, I'd guess (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | | | (...) Density (PS is lighter IIRC, check with Google or something), strength (ABS is more resistant to bending and such) or surface (PS is a bit porous, try a microscope or high-power magnifying glass) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Thomas Stangl
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| | | | | | (...) You can ask this, after they switched dark grey, just to make it look WORSE with virtually every other color made? -- Tom Stangl *(URL) Visual FAQ home *(URL) Visual FAQ Home (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —David Laswell
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| | | | | | (...) *sigh* I'm doing my best to be optimistic about this, just like when I'm hoping that this whole "universal color" thing isn't just something they came up with to milk free AFOL PR out of the fact that they might never have intended to make any (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update — Jake McKee
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| | | | (...) I'm going to be answering some of the questions brought up in this thread as best as I can throughout the day and week. But let me say that I take issue with that idea that I "spin" anything. I don't try to, nor do I feel like I spin or in any (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Bryan Kinkel
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| | | | | "Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote in message news:Hx918L.CEz@lugnet.com... (...) anything I (...) Yes, it will most likely be upsetting. But it is my personal belief that we just have not heard the whole story as to how and why this (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | (...) Yes, please share. I noticed there was never an official denial to the rumor that the real reason was so TLC could recycle blue ABS into the greys, and red ABS into the browns in order to save money. Is this the real reason why you can't go (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update — Jake McKee
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| | | | | | | (...) Consider this an official denial. :) Jake --- Jake McKee Community Liaison LEGO Community Development (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Jindrich Kubec
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Jake, how long would it take to present us with some real reason for doing the change? I can accept something like this: some higly positioned **** in the management thought it was a great idea. There was nobody brave enough to tell him that (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Why not? There are always ways to get things. There are always fans that would help out friendly, helpful people in other countries if asked nicely. But thread hijacking, especially hijacking really busy threads that are apparently bringing (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Jason Spears
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Just because you and some others don't accept that Marketing thought it was a good idea to change the colors doesn't make it not the "real reason". (...) I'm sure that some people within the company thought it was a bad idea. But those people (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Leonard Hoffman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) If you accept this theory - then what would make you think Jake is brave enough to publically rebuke said highly positioned ****? If everyone else is afraid, then they have good reason to be afraid (meaning=fired) - and I'd rather have Jake (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Jindrich Kubec
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Because there were some fires in the top management recently, so it's non-zero probability the person is not there or not in that high position ;-) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Ka-On Lee
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| | | | | | | | (...) OK... that what is the real reason for the change? Please don't tell me TLC is applying patent for the new colour... :p And why can't TLC switch back for the mean line, but can still produce old colour if needed? If the new colour is really (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | | (...) You can't simply "mix" ABS like that. The colors will never blend 100% and you'll get swirling patterns such as McDonalds "Flurry" icecreams :) -- Jan-Albert van Ree (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —David Laswell
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yes you can. It's done all the time. Any color of ABS can be easily recycled into black, because the carbon used to color it will overpower any other dyes. Other colors are entirely dependant upon what you want to recycle them into. You can't (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Aaron Muhl
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| | | | | | | | | What colors do you grind up and mix to get Purple Dave? :D "Purple Dave" <purpledave@maskofdestiny.com> wrote in message news:Hx9uMx.15LG@lugnet.com... (...) recycled (...) dyes. (...) into. (...) and/or (...) exactly (...) exactly (...) Once (...) (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —David Laswell
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I'm actually quite partial to the standard LEGO purple, though I've noticed that the Throwbot limbs aren't the same shade as all of the other pieces, and they've used three slightly different shades of purple rubber (two shades for purple (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | | | (...) Wow.... I've been an intern for 4 months at a Dutch injection moulding company but I never knew it was possible, apart from the black (as has been done for years with car bumpers and such) But unless you do this in HUGE quantities, how can you (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —David Laswell
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| | | | | | | | (...) That's part of the problem. You do get much greater accuracy as you increase the size of the batch. It's also probably a lot easier to do with sheet extrusion than with injection molding, where you have a constant flow of a large amount of (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | (...) Now that you got your official denial, consider: Lego makes more black bricks than they do gray bricks. In the recycling article they said recycled plastic goes into black bricks. (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | (...) I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me. Please explain further. Or maybe I just need some coffee. I really wish they would just tell us the real business decision behind the change. Then we could move on. (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | (...) Oh wait, I think I get it now. Maybe the first question was too specific. Let's make it a game of it and see if we can gather a few more "official denials". How about 20 questions? Was there a cost savings component in the decision to change (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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| | | | | | Re: Color Change - Final Update —Mark Riley
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| | | | (...) Jake, You chose to take the worst possible meaning of "spin" (despite my winking smiley) and I am sorry for that. The definition I intended was merely the interpretation of facts to put the best possible face on a bad situation. That doesn't (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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