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> > Bad news first - After much discussion and debate internally, the color • change
> > will stand. There was some good thinking that went into the color change
Jake - get ready for some more griping. I hope you will continue to forward
these gripe emails to the decision makers on this matter.
Yes, this did open new wounds and I'm still astounded that TLC does not get
it.
But I would also be interested in what kind of "good thinking" went into
this. Why did Lego do this? Why take something that has been stable for 25+
years and suddenly change it?
There has to be a better reason than "focus groups, etc." Reasons given up
to now are still not satisfactory.
It comes down to this - my collection and my children's collection of gray
pieces, amassed over 20 years, no longer matches what Lego is producing. We
have a hard enough time finding the right pieces in the right color in the
sets that are currently produced.
Now I have to go to the secondary market for gray and other changed colors.
__This is money that would otherwise be going to purchase new TLC
products.__
And I don't like the hints that other colors may be changed. I purchase sets
for parts. And often I will purchase multiple copies of a set to get parts
that are complimentary to those I already have in my collection. (Roof
pieces are a good example.)
Why should I purchase new sets if the colors are going to change?
SYSTEM has been broken.
Bryan
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In lugnet.general, Bryan Kinkel wrote:
> But I would also be interested in what kind of "good thinking" went into
> this. Why did Lego do this? Why take something that has been stable for 25+
> years and suddenly change it?
Well, somewhere in all the "good thinking" you will probably find the word
"Bionicle". Not even Jake would be able to put enough spin on that for us AFOLs
to swallow it... ;-) Hence, the reasoning will remain a mystery to us.
At least I have Classic Coke,
Mark
BTW, you can buy train track in dark bluish gray now:
http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=2865
http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=2867
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Mark Riley wrote:
> Well, somewhere in all the "good thinking" you will probably find the word
> "Bionicle". Not even Jake would be able to put enough spin on that for us AFOLs
> to swallow it... ;-)
But, I know it's a blasphemy, but I think for Bionicle and Technic the
new colours will look better. I've got new Toa Nuju and it looks good
with the new colours.
> BTW, you can buy train track in dark bluish gray now:
Anybody knows why Peeron is calling the new colors DkStone and MdStone?
DkSteel would be better, wouldn't it?
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>
> Anybody knows why Peeron is calling the new colors DkStone and MdStone?
> DkSteel would be better, wouldn't it?
Those names are what Lego has given to them...pure and simple.
Scott Lyttle
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What colorblind IDIOT named the New Dark Grey stone? It is anything BUT
stone in color. I haven't seen a single person liken it to natural stones.
All liken it to metals.
Scott Lyttle wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > Anybody knows why Peeron is calling the new colors DkStone and MdStone?
> > DkSteel would be better, wouldn't it?
>
> Those names are what Lego has given to them...pure and simple.
>
> Scott Lyttle
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In lugnet.general, Jindrich Kubec wrote:
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But, I know it’s a blasphemy, but I think for Bionicle and Technic the
new colours will look better. I’ve got new Toa Nuju and it looks good
with the new colours.
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Ugh! No! Dark-bley even clashes with white. The only one that actually
doesn’t clash is Toa Nokama (even Toa Whenua looks a bit off with the white and
blue connector pieces on an otherwise black/bley design)
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In lugnet.general, David Laswell wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Jindrich Kubec wrote:
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But, I know it’s a blasphemy, but I think for Bionicle and Technic the
new colours will look better. I’ve got new Toa Nuju and it looks good
with the new colours.
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Ugh! No! Dark-bley even clashes with white. The only one that actually
doesn’t clash is Toa Nokama (even Toa Whenua looks a bit off with the white
and blue connector pieces on an otherwise black/bley design)
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There’s been no mention of whether white is “universal” or not. But since it
clashes so much with the new permanent colors, I think it’s only a matter of
time before we can kiss it goodbye, too.
Mark
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In lugnet.general, Mark Riley wrote:
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There’s been no mention of whether white is “universal” or not. But since it
clashes so much with the new permanent colors, I think it’s only a matter of
time before we can kiss it goodbye, too.
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I doubt it very much. Natural ABS is a slightly translucent cream color, and
white is probably the hardest color to achieve. Heavy metal pigments are no
longer legal in the US (which is why brown/tan plastic electrical fixtures are
no longer cheaper than any other color), and you can’t exactly combine two other
colors to get white. I’ve never seen a true white ABS. It’s always slightly
warm, and yellows with time. The only way I can see for them to make true white
pieces is to switch those bricks over to a different plastic, like straight
polystyrene. Of course, if we were interested in buying dirt-cheap plastic with
low resistance to breaking, we’d be discussing this on MUGNET, not LUGNET.
Aside from all of that, white ABS matches very well with the rest of the array
of colors (including the new reddish-brown), so what’s the point in screwing
that up just to get it to look better with just six colors?
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In lugnet.general, David Laswell wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Mark Riley wrote:
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There’s been no mention of whether white is “universal” or not. But since
it clashes so much with the new permanent colors, I think it’s only a matter
of time before we can kiss it goodbye, too.
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I doubt it very much. Natural ABS is a slightly translucent cream color, and
white is probably the hardest color to achieve. Heavy metal pigments are no
longer legal in the US (which is why brown/tan plastic electrical fixtures
are no longer cheaper than any other color), and you can’t exactly combine
two other colors to get white. I’ve never seen a true white ABS. It’s
always slightly warm, and yellows with time. The only way I can see for them
to make true white pieces is to switch those bricks over to a different
plastic, like straight polystyrene. Of course, if we were interested in
buying dirt-cheap plastic with low resistance to breaking, we’d be discussing
this on MUGNET, not LUGNET.
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In all seriousness, do you suppose that this is how MEGABLOKS does it? I’ve
noticed for years that their “white” is more “white” than LEGO “white,” but I
never knew the underlying reason.
Is there a simple, reliable way to discern the difference between ABS and
straight polystyrene without damaging/destroying either in the process? They
both taste the same, AFAIK...
Dave!
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In lugnet.general, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In all seriousness, do you suppose that this is how MEGABLOKS does it? I’ve
noticed for years that their “white” is more “white” than LEGO “white,” but I
never knew the underlying reason.
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Absolutely. Different plastics have different natural colors. Some start out
clear, others start out white, and those are basically the only colors that can
achieve a true white (since hobby shops generally only sell white styrene, I’d
guess that it’s naturally white). Everything else will be affected by the
underlying natural color tone, much like the look of paint will be affected by
the color of the underlying coat. However, I expect economic factors were
behind the decision to use PS over ABS, and the whiter white was merely a side
effect.
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Is there a simple, reliable way to discern the difference between ABS and
straight polystyrene without damaging/destroying either in the process? They
both taste the same, AFAIK...
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I’ve never done a taste test on them, but polystyrene weighs less by volume, and
it has a different feel to it (it’s hard to explain in words alone, but ABS
actually seems to feel more “glossy” than polystyrene). Color spectrometry will
probably be the best harm-free way to figure it out...provided you have access
to a spectrometer (and they’re quite expensive). Beyond that, scratch tests,
burn tests, and corporate espionage might tell you what you want to know
(provided you don’t get caught attempting that last one).
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Dave Schuler wrote:
> In all seriousness, do you suppose that this is how MEGABLOKS does it?
> I've noticed for years that their "white" is more "white" than LEGO
> "white," but I never knew the underlying reason.
>
> Is there a simple, reliable way to discern the difference between ABS and
> straight polystyrene without damaging/destroying either in the process?
> They both taste the same, AFAIK...
Density (PS is lighter IIRC, check with Google or something), strength (ABS
is more resistant to bending and such) or surface (PS is a bit porous, try
a microscope or high-power magnifying glass)
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Purple Dave wrote:
> Aside from all of that, white ABS matches very well with the rest of the array
> of colors (including the new reddish-brown), so what's the point in screwing
> that up just to get it to look better with just six colors?
You can ask this, after they switched dark grey, just to make it look WORSE with
virtually every other color made?
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In lugnet.general, Thomas Stangl wrote:
> You can ask this, after they switched dark grey, just to make it look WORSE
> with virtually every other color made?
*sigh* I'm doing my best to be optimistic about this, just like when I'm hoping
that this whole "universal color" thing isn't just something they came up with
to milk free AFOL PR out of the fact that they might never have intended to make
any more color changes beyond the four that have already been hit.
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In lugnet.general, Mark Riley wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Bryan Kinkel wrote:
>
> > But I would also be interested in what kind of "good thinking" went into
> > this. Why did Lego do this? Why take something that has been stable for 25+
> > years and suddenly change it?
>
> Well, somewhere in all the "good thinking" you will probably find the word
> "Bionicle". Not even Jake would be able to put enough spin on that for us AFOLs
> to swallow it... ;-) Hence, the reasoning will remain a mystery to us.
I'm going to be answering some of the questions brought up in this thread as
best as I can throughout the day and week. But let me say that I take issue with
that idea that I "spin" anything.
I don't try to, nor do I feel like I spin or in any way lie to this community. I
have a mantra that I maintain an "open and honest relationship" with this
community. Over almost 4 years of working for LEGO and with this community, I
feel like I've done a very good job of sticking to that mantra.
There are times when I've delivered answers/updates that you don't like, or
perhaps don't even believe. But that fact is, I've never, ever lied to this
community. But please don't equate me delivering an answer to you don't like
with me dealing in half-truths, lies, or spin.
To the question about "good thinking", no matter what the answer is, anything I
say will upset many of you. I can fully and totally understand that. Please
don't think I'm trying to get anyone to stop sharing their thoughts on this, or
any other issue. (Anyone who knows me, knows that I'm nothing if not completely
open to hear and pass along your concerns) I will work on answering this
question soon, but I want to make absolutely sure I am saying what I mean by
"good thinking" exactly right. Text is a hard medium to communicate in, and I
want to make sure I'm being clear. (This isn't spinning, it's ensuring clarity
in a charged situation)
OK, back to reading this thread! :)
Jake
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"Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote in message
news:Hx918L.CEz@lugnet.com...
> To the question about "good thinking", no matter what the answer is, • anything I
> say will upset many of you. I can fully and totally understand that.
Yes, it will most likely be upsetting.
But it is my personal belief that we just have not heard the whole story as
to how and why this change came about. I still have a difficult time
wrapping my brain around the idea of Lego replacing a core color. I can
understand making new colors and shades. Variety is good. But replacement is
bad.
Replacing colors just because a focus group says "they look better" does not
seem to be a strong enough reason to generate this type of upheaval.
While it has generated upheaval in the consumer LEGO arena - I can only
imagine the effect the color changes has generated internally at LEGO (new
raw materials, changes to instructions, dealing with producing older sets in
the new colors, supplying the model shops with old vs. new colors, handling
consumer questions, etc.)
So somebody must have determined that whatever the reason was, it was good
enough and the pros outweighed the cons.
The LEGO community has pretty much identified every consumer related "con"
as to the color change.
And I'm sure there are "cons" internally at TLC (mentioned above).
But what are the "pros" that TLC came up with to warrent the color changes?
(1)
There must have been some really big "pros" on the list to upset the SYSTEM
in this manner.
And I'm sure many LEGO fans would like to hear more about the pros for the
color change. Seeing a list of reasons might make some folks step back and
say "OK - now I can sort of understand why."
Jake - thank you for your continued communication with us on this topic.
Bryan
(1) I'm sure some of the reasons are labeled "corporate secret" - but please
share.
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In lugnet.general, Bryan Kinkel wrote:
> And I'm sure there are "cons" internally at TLC (mentioned above).
>
> But what are the "pros" that TLC came up with to warrent the color changes?
> (1)
>
> There must have been some really big "pros" on the list to upset the SYSTEM
> in this manner.
>
> And I'm sure many LEGO fans would like to hear more about the pros for the
> color change. Seeing a list of reasons might make some folks step back and
> say "OK - now I can sort of understand why."
>
> (1) I'm sure some of the reasons are labeled "corporate secret" - but please
> share.
Yes, please share. I noticed there was never an official denial to
the rumor that the real reason was so TLC could recycle blue ABS into
the greys, and red ABS into the browns in order to save money.
Is this the real reason why you can't go back? It's the only "good reason"
I've ever heard that makes any sense.
Don
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In lugnet.general, Don Heyse wrote:
> I noticed there was never an official denial to
> the rumor that the real reason was so TLC could recycle blue ABS into
> the greys, and red ABS into the browns in order to save money.
Consider this an official denial. :)
Jake
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Jake McKee wrote:
> > I noticed there was never an official denial to
> > the rumor that the real reason was so TLC could recycle blue ABS into
> > the greys, and red ABS into the browns in order to save money.
> Consider this an official denial. :)
Jake, how long would it take to present us with some real reason for
doing the change?
I can accept something like this: some higly positioned **** in the
management thought it was a great idea. There was nobody brave enough to
tell him that it's stupid.
See Duplo -> Explore -> Duplo.
If somebody else bitches about me hijacking the thread - I can't buy the
old colour packs from LEGO anyway, so what... :-/
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In lugnet.general, Jindrich Kubec wrote:
> I can't buy the old colour packs from LEGO anyway, so what... :-/
Why not? There are always ways to get things. There are always fans that would
help out friendly, helpful people in other countries if asked nicely.
But thread hijacking, especially hijacking really busy threads that are
apparently bringing LUGNET to its knees, and using profanity (even mild
profanity that hardly anyone would object to) may not be the best way to make
friends. IMHO anyway.
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In lugnet.general, Jindrich Kubec wrote:
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Jake, how long would it take to present us with some real reason for
doing the change?
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Just because you and some others don’t accept that Marketing thought it was a
good idea to change the colors doesn’t make it not the “real reason”.
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I can accept something like this: some higly positioned **** in the
management thought it was a great idea. There was nobody brave enough to
tell him that it’s stupid.
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I’m sure that some people within the company thought it was a bad idea. But
those people are probably not the ones making the decisions. Now that they have
made the change, they are going to stick with it for a while (at least one or
two years) and see how things go, before switching back. However, based on what
Jake said, currently it looks like they will never change back.
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If somebody else b***hes about me hijacking the thread - I can’t buy the
old colour packs from LEGO anyway, so what... :-/
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I understand you are upset about the change. Heck I’m pretty upset too, but
watch the language.
Jason Spears | BrickCentral | MichLUG
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In lugnet.general, Jindrich Kubec wrote:
> Jake McKee wrote:
> > > I noticed there was never an official denial to
> > > the rumor that the real reason was so TLC could recycle blue ABS into
> > > the greys, and red ABS into the browns in order to save money.
> > Consider this an official denial. :)
>
> Jake, how long would it take to present us with some real reason for
> doing the change?
>
> I can accept something like this: some higly positioned **** in the
> management thought it was a great idea. There was nobody brave enough to
> tell him that it's stupid.
If you accept this theory - then what would make you think Jake is brave enough
to publically rebuke said highly positioned ****? If everyone else is afraid,
then they have good reason to be afraid (meaning=fired) - and I'd rather have
Jake working for TLG than fired from it.
Personally, I'm not that concerned with reasons (especially the conspiratorial
ones) because really, I just want my grey.
-Lenny
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Lenny Hoffman wrote:
> > I can accept something like this: some higly positioned **** in the
> > management thought it was a great idea. There was nobody brave enough to
> > tell him that it's stupid.
>
> If you accept this theory - then what would make you think Jake is brave enough
> to publically rebuke said highly positioned ****? If everyone else is afraid,
> then they have good reason to be afraid (meaning=fired)
Because there were some fires in the top management recently, so it's
non-zero probability the person is not there or not in that high
position ;-)
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Don Heyse wrote:
> > I noticed there was never an official denial to
> > the rumor that the real reason was so TLC could recycle blue ABS into
> > the greys, and red ABS into the browns in order to save money.
>
> Consider this an official denial. :)
OK... that what is the real reason for the change? Please don't tell me TLC is
applying patent for the new colour... :p
And why can't TLC switch back for the mean line, but can still produce old
colour if needed? If the new colour is really cheaper to mass produce, you can
just say so without disclosing any technical or financial detail, right?
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In lugnet.general, Don Heyse wrote:
> Yes, please share. I noticed there was never an official denial to
> the rumor that the real reason was so TLC could recycle blue ABS into
> the greys, and red ABS into the browns in order to save money.
>
> Is this the real reason why you can't go back? It's the only "good reason"
> I've ever heard that makes any sense.
You can't simply "mix" ABS like that.
The colors will never blend 100% and you'll get swirling patterns such as
McDonalds "Flurry" icecreams :)
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In lugnet.general, Jan-Albert van Ree wrote:
> You can't simply "mix" ABS like that.
Yes you can. It's done all the time. Any color of ABS can be easily recycled
into black, because the carbon used to color it will overpower any other dyes.
Other colors are entirely dependant upon what you want to recycle them into.
You can't recycle blue into red, but you can recycle many shades of red and/or
yellow into many shades of orange. The key is that you need to know exactly
what color you're starting with, how much you've got of that color, and exactly
which color you're going to produce (and you need to know that anyways). Once
you know all of that, you can figure out what color/quantity you need to mix
into the off-color to make it look like the color you want. We've spent quite a
while discussing the merits of having FDA White ABS reground into OSHA Yellow or
black, because you can't regrind any post-consumer plastic into FDA-approved
plastic, and we don't use any non-FDA white plastic.
> The colors will never blend 100% and you'll get swirling patterns such as
> McDonalds "Flurry" icecreams :)
As long as your regrind chunks and new pellets are thoroughly mixed by the time
they're dumped in the hopper, everything between that point and the output point
should provide more than enough opportunity for a true color to come out the
other end.
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What colors do you grind up and mix to get Purple Dave?
:D
"Purple Dave" <purpledave@maskofdestiny.com> wrote in message
news:Hx9uMx.15LG@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.general, Jan-Albert van Ree wrote:
> > You can't simply "mix" ABS like that.
>
> Yes you can. It's done all the time. Any color of ABS can be easily • recycled
> into black, because the carbon used to color it will overpower any other • dyes.
> Other colors are entirely dependant upon what you want to recycle them • into.
> You can't recycle blue into red, but you can recycle many shades of red • and/or
> yellow into many shades of orange. The key is that you need to know • exactly
> what color you're starting with, how much you've got of that color, and • exactly
> which color you're going to produce (and you need to know that anyways). • Once
> you know all of that, you can figure out what color/quantity you need to • mix
> into the off-color to make it look like the color you want. We've spent • quite a
> while discussing the merits of having FDA White ABS reground into OSHA • Yellow or
> black, because you can't regrind any post-consumer plastic into • FDA-approved
> plastic, and we don't use any non-FDA white plastic.
>
> > The colors will never blend 100% and you'll get swirling patterns such • as
> > McDonalds "Flurry" icecreams :)
>
> As long as your regrind chunks and new pellets are thoroughly mixed by the • time
> they're dumped in the hopper, everything between that point and the output • point
> should provide more than enough opportunity for a true color to come out • the
> other end.
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In lugnet.general, Aaron Muhl wrote:
> What colors do you grind up and mix to get Purple Dave?
I'm actually quite partial to the standard LEGO purple, though I've noticed that
the Throwbot limbs aren't the same shade as all of the other pieces, and they've
used three slightly different shades of purple rubber (two shades for purple
Krana and another for Kraata). The violet doesn't do much for me (it's too blue
for my tastes), and I'm waiting on an order of dark-purple so I can't comment on
that yet. Sand-purple isn't bad, though, and trans-purple is quite pleasant
when backlit (it's a bit dark otherwise). I even have custom-tinted sunglass
lenses that coincidentally turned out the same shade as trans-purple bricks (I
was actually hoping for a much redder tint like in an old pair of Lennons that I
used to wear).
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Purple Dave wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Jan-Albert van Ree wrote:
> > You can't simply "mix" ABS like that.
> Yes you can. It's done all the time. Any color of ABS can be easily
> recycled into black, because the carbon used to color it will overpower
> any other dyes. Other colors are entirely dependant upon what you want to
> recycle them into. You can't recycle blue into red, but you can recycle
> many shades of red and/or
> yellow into many shades of orange. The key is that you need to know
> exactly what color you're starting with, how much you've got of that
> color, and exactly
> which color you're going to produce (and you need to know that anyways).
Wow....
I've been an intern for 4 months at a Dutch injection moulding company but I
never knew it was possible, apart from the black (as has been done for
years with car bumpers and such)
But unless you do this in HUGE quantities, how can you guarantee exact
colors such as with LEGO with each batch?
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In lugnet.general, Jan-Albert van Ree wrote:
> Wow....
> I've been an intern for 4 months at a Dutch injection moulding company but I
> never knew it was possible, apart from the black (as has been done for
> years with car bumpers and such)
>
> But unless you do this in HUGE quantities, how can you guarantee exact
> colors such as with LEGO with each batch?
That's part of the problem. You do get much greater accuracy as you increase
the size of the batch. It's also probably a lot easier to do with sheet
extrusion than with injection molding, where you have a constant flow of a large
amount of material, rather than a rapid start/stop with small quantities in each
spurt. Of course, most extrusion plants won't even touch post-consumer regrind
unless it's in batches of half a ton or more, if they're the ones who have to
regrind the scrap and/or (in the case of hygroscopic plastics) dessicate it.
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In lugnet.general, Don Heyse wrote:
> I noticed there was never an official denial to
> the rumor that the real reason was so TLC could recycle blue ABS into
> the greys, and red ABS into the browns in order to save money.
Now that you got your official denial, consider: Lego makes more black bricks
than they do gray bricks. In the recycling article they said recycled plastic
goes into black bricks.
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In lugnet.general, Erik Olson wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Don Heyse wrote:
> > I noticed there was never an official denial to
> > the rumor that the real reason was so TLC could recycle blue ABS into
> > the greys, and red ABS into the browns in order to save money.
>
> Now that you got your official denial, consider: Lego makes more black bricks
> than they do gray bricks. In the recycling article they said recycled plastic
> goes into black bricks.
I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me. Please explain further. Or
maybe I just need some coffee.
I really wish they would just tell us the real business decision behind the
change. Then we could move on.
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In lugnet.general, Don Heyse wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Erik Olson wrote:
> > In lugnet.general, Don Heyse wrote:
> > > I noticed there was never an official denial to
> > > the rumor that the real reason was so TLC could recycle blue ABS into
> > > the greys, and red ABS into the browns in order to save money.
> >
> > Now that you got your official denial, consider: Lego makes more
> > black bricks than they do gray bricks. In the recycling article
> > they said recycled plastic goes into black bricks.
>
> I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me. Please explain further. Or
> maybe I just need some coffee.
>
> I really wish they would just tell us the real business decision behind the
> change. Then we could move on.
Oh wait, I think I get it now. Maybe the first question was too specific.
Let's make it a game of it and see if we can gather a few more "official
denials". How about 20 questions?
Was there a cost savings component in the decision to change colors?
Was recycling of raw materials a factor in the decision?
Was anybody involved in the decision recently sacked?
Does Jake actually know the reason for the change?
Was the location of the factories (China, wherever) a factor?
Did the old colors have toxic ingredients?
Was there a bad environmental impact from the old colors?
Is bionicle involved?
Does TLC upper management prefer coke, or pepsi?
Uh, I'm no good at this. Can someone else come up with the rest of
the 20?
Don
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Mark Riley wrote:
> > In lugnet.general, Bryan Kinkel wrote:
> >
> > > But I would also be interested in what kind of "good thinking" went into
> > > this. Why did Lego do this? Why take something that has been stable for 25+
> > > years and suddenly change it?
> >
> > Well, somewhere in all the "good thinking" you will probably find the word
> > "Bionicle". Not even Jake would be able to put enough spin on that for us AFOLs
> > to swallow it... ;-) Hence, the reasoning will remain a mystery to us.
>
> I'm going to be answering some of the questions brought up in this thread as
> best as I can throughout the day and week. But let me say that I take issue with
> that idea that I "spin" anything.
>
> I don't try to, nor do I feel like I spin or in any way lie to this community. I
> have a mantra that I maintain an "open and honest relationship" with this
> community. Over almost 4 years of working for LEGO and with this community, I
> feel like I've done a very good job of sticking to that mantra.
Jake,
You chose to take the worst possible meaning of "spin" (despite my winking
smiley) and I am sorry for that. The definition I intended was merely the
interpretation of facts to put the best possible face on a bad situation. That
doesn't automatically mean lying or half-truths (and I am not trying to redefine
the word "is" here, either). Phrases like "good news" and "classified as
universal" come off as the usual PR you get from many institutions nowadays so
you can see why my view on this whole situation is somewhat cynical.
Nevertheless, please accept my apologies for any offense taken.
Regards,
Mark
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