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Ok, all basic brick sizes are a must for old grey and brown. All basic plate
sizes are a must for old grey and brown. All basic style bricks and plates are
a must for old grey and brown (arches, slopes, tiles).
All Minifig accessories, technic pieces, bionicle pieces, specialty theme pieces
like star wars engines and star wars 'guns' can be new grey and brown.
LEGO has really let me down.
If they can make track pieces in the old grey, then they still have the ability
to make all bricks in that color, and presumably brown as well. Why going back
is so hard for them I'll never know.
I do know that I will never spend as much money on LEGO as I used to.
--Anthony
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Jake contacted me and has asked me to post my opinion as to what specific parts
I'd like to see offered in Bulk that would make the Castle people happy, much
like the old grey train track makes the train people happy.
He suggested maybe Castle Wall pieces. Old grey Castle Wall pieces, in my
opinion, are rather meaningless without the basic bricks in the same color to
use along side them. A New grey Castle Wall Piece bulk pack (which he later
suggested) would be nice for builders, I'm sure, but I would imagine only for
those builders who are just now starting to build Castle MOCs and don't have a
substantial amount of old grey, and wouldn't be a big hit with the long time
castle builders more fond of the old grey.
He then suggested maybe an armor accessory. Old grey Castle Armor bulk packs
would be great, but in my opinion, New grey Castle Armor bulk packs would be
great too. Minifig accessories are, to me, the only thing that I'd be willing
let LEGO change the color of. The new dark and light greys are very metallic
looking, and would work well for armor and weapons which, of course, are
supposed to be metal.
We castle people would love more armor and weapon bulk packs, but I think we'd
want them regardless of which color of grey they were made in.
So the question then was, what specific part would I want? Well, like Train
Track, only those parts that you do not actually use in conjunction with new
grey would be acceptable in old grey. What I mean is, you don't use train track
in a MOC, typically. Train track is used with other train track, but for the
most part all other MOCs are not a permanent part of the track and vice-versa.
That being said, the only real parts that I can see LEGO releasing in the old
grey that would work well for Castle would be Minifig accessories. My reasoning
is that all other possible Castle Parts are typically used along side other
bricks, there are no real stand alone Castle parts that I can think of that
would be a good release in a bulk pack in old grey.
HOWEVER...
I don't think it'd really be worth a special production run of old grey to make
minifig (Castle) accessories.
So my official suggestion? I have two.
1. Least important. Big Grey Baseplates in the original color.
2. Most important. Make the bulk packs offered in the 10,000 limited production
run in the old light grey, old dark grey, and old brown (were they offerend in
old brown?) a permanent offereing from LEGO Direct.
As for other Castle people, I'm sure they'll reply here on Lugnet as to their
opinion.
The members of Classic-Castle have been asked to share their opinion as to what
part or parts they'd like to see in a bulk old grey or brown pack, and you can
see that thread here:
http://www.classic-castle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13521
--Anthony
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Hi Jake,
I just want to add my comments on offerings for castle fans
Since the color decisions seem to be final, I think that the best option is to
ease this transition into the new colors. Castle builders will need basic
bricks, wall pieces, arches, plates, etc in the new light grey color. In my
opinion, the best option would be another castle legend in new grey. Another
run of Black Falcon's Fortress or a castle like 6080 King's Castle would allow
castle fans to quickly build up new grey supplies. Future "modular" legends
like Armor Shop and Battering Ram would also be nice choices.
I do not think that old color wall pieces would be very popular or sell well at
shop at home. Sets seem to do much better than some bulk packs (ie: Castle
Accessories vs. Guarded Inn)
Castle fans would also like improved selection in minifigure accessory packs.
Popular items in a pack (in new or old colors) would be round shields, euro
breastplate armor, archery targets, forestmen caps and peasant cowls (in colors
like green, black, brown, grey, tan, and red), plumes in new colors (orange,
tan, etc) grill helmets, bullet helmets, flared helmets, axes, swords - in brown
or black perhaps ;) These are just a few ideas off of the top of my head.
Basically - with existing molds and new colors - LEGO could make the best castle
accessory pack ever.
Another popular idea could be making a "classic" accessory pack in old light
grey of weapons, shields, armor, and helmets (substituting new pointed visors)
of the 1978-83 castle sets. Instead of releasing a legend of Yellow Castle, how
about a minifig pack or accessory pack with these pieces and stickers.
Many castle fans would also like more accessory packs for buildings. This could
be curved top windows in several colors, brown doors (rectangular), steep roof
peaks (we have been waiting forever to get more of these...) or a good roof
pack, 1x4x3 windows with lattice panes in colors like black and brown, folliage
(in orange perhaps), and another food pack.
These are just a few of my ideas. But there are alot of options available. I
think we want more variety to add to our minifigs, buildings, and villages.
Ben Ellermann
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In lugnet.general, Anthony Sava wrote:
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Jake contacted me and has asked me to post my opinion as to what specific
parts I’d like to see offered in Bulk that would make the Castle people happy,
much like the old grey train track makes the train people happy.
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I’d like to say I agree with Anthony has to say.
Castle Walls I dont use as much as I use basic bricks (2xn and 1xn) and plates.
Minifig accessories don’t bother me as much because I don’t army build.
Furthermore, many of my accessories now come from the Customizers - Jeff Byrd
(Blasterman) and Isaac Yue - which are not true Old Grey. I realize that the
customs they make could not be made by TLG because of the different market
(Adults vs. Children-safe-toys).
I agree with Anthony’s dreaming about the perfect minifig pack.
I agree that the 48x48 baseplate should be made in OG as this is the standard
plate size for the Moonbase.
Ironic that the brick packages in Old Grey made available for fans was the first
time those packages were available in several years. Also, making a minfig pack
based on fan suggestions is only now being proposed. It’s as if only now, when
TLG does such a bad thing, do they honestly begin asking for what we’d like and
giving it to us.
One thing I would like would be Bulk Packs of Slopes - perhaps a pack of 45
degree and a pack of 33 degree slopes (or maybe 33 degree + 75 degree) and
include Roof Peaks, Convex and Concave double-slopes (inner and outer turns) -
especially concave double-slopes, 1 long, 2 long, and 4 long. 3 long and 8 long
would be cool, but not necessary.
Hmm..
I’ll let you know if I think of anything else.
-Lenny
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I have the answer:
Castle Wall Pieces that are mixes of old grays and news. No, not four types
of pieces. ONE wall piece that contains all four colors in it. Think about
it, if you make the wall pieces look like bricks made of all four colors,
you can make great looking castles that USE all four colors! This is the
answer to bridging the gap between old and new gray.
I'm sure this would be difficult to mold, but hey, I don't have to worry
about the manufacturing aspect. :D
-Aaron
"Anthony Sava" <savatheaggie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Hx90A3.5KF@lugnet.com...
> Jake contacted me and has asked me to post my opinion as to what specific • parts
> I'd like to see offered in Bulk that would make the Castle people happy, • much
> like the old grey train track makes the train people happy.
>
> He suggested maybe Castle Wall pieces. Old grey Castle Wall pieces, in my
> opinion, are rather meaningless without the basic bricks in the same color • to
> use along side them. A New grey Castle Wall Piece bulk pack (which he • later
> suggested) would be nice for builders, I'm sure, but I would imagine only • for
> those builders who are just now starting to build Castle MOCs and don't • have a
> substantial amount of old grey, and wouldn't be a big hit with the long • time
> castle builders more fond of the old grey.
>
> He then suggested maybe an armor accessory. Old grey Castle Armor bulk • packs
> would be great, but in my opinion, New grey Castle Armor bulk packs would • be
> great too. Minifig accessories are, to me, the only thing that I'd be • willing
> let LEGO change the color of. The new dark and light greys are very • metallic
> looking, and would work well for armor and weapons which, of course, are
> supposed to be metal.
>
> We castle people would love more armor and weapon bulk packs, but I think • we'd
> want them regardless of which color of grey they were made in.
>
> So the question then was, what specific part would I want? Well, like • Train
> Track, only those parts that you do not actually use in conjunction with • new
> grey would be acceptable in old grey. What I mean is, you don't use train • track
> in a MOC, typically. Train track is used with other train track, but for • the
> most part all other MOCs are not a permanent part of the track and • vice-versa.
>
> That being said, the only real parts that I can see LEGO releasing in the • old
> grey that would work well for Castle would be Minifig accessories. My • reasoning
> is that all other possible Castle Parts are typically used along side • other
> bricks, there are no real stand alone Castle parts that I can think of • that
> would be a good release in a bulk pack in old grey.
>
> HOWEVER...
>
> I don't think it'd really be worth a special production run of old grey to • make
> minifig (Castle) accessories.
>
> So my official suggestion? I have two.
>
> 1. Least important. Big Grey Baseplates in the original color.
>
> 2. Most important. Make the bulk packs offered in the 10,000 limited • production
> run in the old light grey, old dark grey, and old brown (were they • offerend in
> old brown?) a permanent offereing from LEGO Direct.
>
> As for other Castle people, I'm sure they'll reply here on Lugnet as to • their
> opinion.
>
> The members of Classic-Castle have been asked to share their opinion as to • what
> part or parts they'd like to see in a bulk old grey or brown pack, and you • can
> see that thread here:
>
> http://www.classic-castle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13521
>
> --Anthony
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"Ironic that the brick packages in Old Grey made available for fans was the
first
time those packages were available in several years. Also, making a minfig
pack
based on fan suggestions is only now being proposed. It's as if only now,
when
TLG does such a bad thing, do they honestly begin asking for what we'd like
and
giving it to us." - Lenny
Hey, guilt is a powerful ally. Be glad something good may come from this!
"Lenny Hoffman" <lahoffma@*NOSPAM*mailer.fsu.edu> wrote in message
news:Hx9Ip5.1Dy8@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.general, Anthony Sava wrote:
> > Jake contacted me and has asked me to post my opinion as to what • specific
> > parts I'd like to see offered in Bulk that would make the Castle people • happy,
> > much like the old grey train track makes the train people happy.
>
> I'd like to say I agree with Anthony has to say.
>
> Castle Walls I dont use as much as I use basic bricks (2xn and 1xn) and • plates.
>
> Minifig accessories don't bother me as much because I don't army build.
> Furthermore, many of my accessories now come from the Customizers - Jeff • Byrd
> (Blasterman) and Isaac Yue - which are not true Old Grey. I realize that • the
> customs they make could not be made by TLG because of the different market
> (Adults vs. Children-safe-toys).
>
> I agree with Anthony's dreaming about the perfect minifig pack.
>
> I agree that the 48x48 baseplate should be made in OG as this is the • standard
> plate size for the Moonbase.
>
> Ironic that the brick packages in Old Grey made available for fans was the • first
> time those packages were available in several years. Also, making a • minfig pack
> based on fan suggestions is only now being proposed. It's as if only now, • when
> TLG does such a bad thing, do they honestly begin asking for what we'd • like and
> giving it to us.
>
> One thing I would like would be [Bulk Packs of Slopes] - perhaps a pack of • 45
> degree and a pack of 33 degree slopes (or maybe 33 degree + 75 degree) and
> include Roof Peaks, Convex and Concave double-slopes (inner and outer • turns) -
> especially concave double-slopes, 1 long, 2 long, and 4 long. 3 long and • 8 long
> would be cool, but not necessary.
>
> Hmm..
>
> I'll let you know if I think of anything else.
>
> -Lenny
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In lugnet.general, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
> Ironic that the brick packages in Old Grey made available for fans was the
> first time those packages were available in several years. Also, making a
> minfig pack based on fan suggestions is only now being proposed. It's as if
> only now, when TLG does such a bad thing, do they honestly begin asking for
> what we'd like and giving it to us.
< Begin Humorous Sarcasm >
Well, besides the
- MOT sets
- Santa Fe sets
- Metroliner
- Club Car
- Guarded Inn
- Black Falcon's Fortress
- USS Constellation
- Countless other various Legends sets
- Legends voting
- Blacksmith Shop MOC
- Santa Fe Cars MOC
- Current Bulk Program
- PaB
- Imperial Star Destoyer
- Rebel Blockade Runner
- UCS Snowspeeder
- Wright Flyer
- Sopwith Camel
- Red Baron
- Shell sets
- Seasonal sets (turkey, pumpkin, US flag, Christmas ornaments, etc.)
- Statue of Liberty
- Minifig Sculpture
- Darth Maul bust
- Special purchasing deals
- LEGO Mosaic
- Last shot of Cypress trees
- ...and whatever else I have up my sleeve
Other than that, you're right, we don't list much! :)
< /End Humorous Sarcasm >
Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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More feedback from me, since there doesn't seem to be enough general
feedback on this topic. :P
I really like the idea of releasing a bunch of castle Legends in new gray.
This would be a great way for us to start building our new gray collection.
I would also like to see a old brown "house building" set consisting of
windows with lattices, plates, slopes and various doors. Throw in a
pitchfork or two also and you'll sell a bunch I would think.
Thanks for reading!
-Aaron
"Anthony Sava" <savatheaggie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Hx90A3.5KF@lugnet.com...
> Jake contacted me and has asked me to post my opinion as to what specific • parts
> I'd like to see offered in Bulk that would make the Castle people happy, • much
> like the old grey train track makes the train people happy.
>
> He suggested maybe Castle Wall pieces. Old grey Castle Wall pieces, in my
> opinion, are rather meaningless without the basic bricks in the same color • to
> use along side them. A New grey Castle Wall Piece bulk pack (which he • later
> suggested) would be nice for builders, I'm sure, but I would imagine only • for
> those builders who are just now starting to build Castle MOCs and don't • have a
> substantial amount of old grey, and wouldn't be a big hit with the long • time
> castle builders more fond of the old grey.
>
> He then suggested maybe an armor accessory. Old grey Castle Armor bulk • packs
> would be great, but in my opinion, New grey Castle Armor bulk packs would • be
> great too. Minifig accessories are, to me, the only thing that I'd be • willing
> let LEGO change the color of. The new dark and light greys are very • metallic
> looking, and would work well for armor and weapons which, of course, are
> supposed to be metal.
>
> We castle people would love more armor and weapon bulk packs, but I think • we'd
> want them regardless of which color of grey they were made in.
>
> So the question then was, what specific part would I want? Well, like • Train
> Track, only those parts that you do not actually use in conjunction with • new
> grey would be acceptable in old grey. What I mean is, you don't use train • track
> in a MOC, typically. Train track is used with other train track, but for • the
> most part all other MOCs are not a permanent part of the track and • vice-versa.
>
> That being said, the only real parts that I can see LEGO releasing in the • old
> grey that would work well for Castle would be Minifig accessories. My • reasoning
> is that all other possible Castle Parts are typically used along side • other
> bricks, there are no real stand alone Castle parts that I can think of • that
> would be a good release in a bulk pack in old grey.
>
> HOWEVER...
>
> I don't think it'd really be worth a special production run of old grey to • make
> minifig (Castle) accessories.
>
> So my official suggestion? I have two.
>
> 1. Least important. Big Grey Baseplates in the original color.
>
> 2. Most important. Make the bulk packs offered in the 10,000 limited • production
> run in the old light grey, old dark grey, and old brown (were they • offerend in
> old brown?) a permanent offereing from LEGO Direct.
>
> As for other Castle people, I'm sure they'll reply here on Lugnet as to • their
> opinion.
>
> The members of Classic-Castle have been asked to share their opinion as to • what
> part or parts they'd like to see in a bulk old grey or brown pack, and you • can
> see that thread here:
>
> http://www.classic-castle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13521
>
> --Anthony
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I'd say I have to agree that the parts packs of basic bricks, plates and tiles
would be a good permanent setting. However, I would like to see those same
packs in the new colors ALSO. I have room for both of the dark and light grey
tones, as well as the brown shades. Around here, we have a naturally occuring
blue granite, that is the hardest thing next to diamonds, in terms of
construction. You cannot chip it, jackhammer it or smash it. You can only
blast it, so that'd be a fine stone color to add to tower creations of MOC
quality. Just make both old and new light/dark grey and brown packs available,
makes a nice pebbled wall effect.
Make some darn 1x1 brown tiles in the old brown shade!!
As far as accessories for minifigures go, I don't really take issue with that.
I would like to still see old colors on accessories, but the new colors would be
welcome there.
For baseplates, you have to stick to the same old colors, or the landscapes will
get odd in blocky patterns that would not be natural.
I really don't care about the wall pieces, they don't matter that much to most
of my creations. If you are a pre-fab wall builder it might be a bad thing to
change colors in the middle of a MOC, so consider that a fan possibility.
What about brown horses? I'd certainly welcome the new brown there. Any
variation on a three-color breed is GOOD!
DONT'T ever change the tan and green (all shades current) available, those are
UNIVERSAL COLORS in my mind's eye. I'm lovin' every bit of the tan out there.
I cannot really think of that much else that'll push me over the edge into rabid
death lunges at TLC folk. If I do, I'll letcha' know.
:o)
-Aaron-
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
snip
> < Begin Humorous Sarcasm >
>
> Well, besides the
> - MOT sets
> - Santa Fe sets
> - Metroliner
> - Club Car
> - Guarded Inn
> - Black Falcon's Fortress
> - USS Constellation
> - Countless other various Legends sets
> - Legends voting
> - Blacksmith Shop MOC
> - Santa Fe Cars MOC
> - Current Bulk Program
> - PaB
> - Imperial Star Destoyer
> - Rebel Blockade Runner
> - UCS Snowspeeder
> - Wright Flyer
> - Sopwith Camel
> - Red Baron
> - Shell sets
> - Seasonal sets (turkey, pumpkin, US flag, Christmas ornaments, etc.)
> - Statue of Liberty
> - Minifig Sculpture
> - Darth Maul bust
> - Special purchasing deals
> - LEGO Mosaic
> - Last shot of Cypress trees
> - ...and whatever else I have up my sleeve
>
> Other than that, you're right, we don't list much! :)
>
> < /End Humorous Sarcasm >
Sorry Jake but I have to point out that all of the items listed above are/have
been only available to those who are able to use S@H or have a Lego brand name
store close to them ie; NOT the majority of shoppers.
For those of us that do not (or can't, for whatever reason) shop from S@H and
who do not have a Lego brand shop in their country, those items might as well be
on the moon.
From the impulse/casual buyer's viewpoint, Lego has done none of those things,
nothing special/extra has been provided for those buyers at all.
Personally, I think Lego is missing a rather significant part of the market
here, I realise some (most/all?) of these items have been created as
"exclusives" for S@H, but if that exclusivity were for, say the first year, and
then the models etc were supplied to normal retail outlets, either as generally
available items, or perhaps listed in the catalogs as "special items that you
can ask your retailer to order for you" then I believe Lego would not be
dissapointed with the sales figures.
So, I guess this is a plea for Lego to consider those of us who, like I said,
can't or won't use S@H and don't have a Lego brand shop nearby.
Thanks - Ken
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Anthony Sava wrote:
> Jake contacted me and has asked me to post my opinion as to what specific parts
> I'd like to see offered in Bulk that would make the Castle people happy, much
> like the old grey train track makes the train people happy.
>
> He suggested maybe Castle Wall pieces.
Yuk. I am an avid builder of things that would fit into the castle area,
but I don't want to caught dead with such a thing as a "castle wall
element". Or wooden palisades. Or BURPs (The "U" in BURP is not a joke...).
Walls are supposed to be made of bricks, plates and arches. Anything
else ist evil ;D
Yours, Christian Treczoks
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In lugnet.general, Aaron Muhl wrote:
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I would also like to see a old brown “house building” set consisting of
windows with lattices, plates, slopes and various doors. Throw in a
pitchfork or two also and you’ll sell a bunch I would think.
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Well I think it’s pretty obvious that I would buy a ton of this pack if it was
ever made. And I could think of at least a ½ dozen other builders in my club
that would as well.
Jason Spears | BrickCentral | MichLUG
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In lugnet.general, Ken Bailey wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
snip huge list of examples where LEGO listen to us
Sorry Jake but I have to point out that all of the items listed above
are/have been only available to those who are able to use S@H or have a
Lego brand name store close to them ie; NOT the majority of shoppers.
For those of us that do not (or can’t, for whatever reason) shop from S@H
and who do not have a Lego brand shop in their country, those items might
as well be on the moon.
So, I guess this is a plea for Lego to consider those of us who, like I said,
can’t or won’t use S@H and don’t have a Lego brand shop nearby.
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Well not sure about in your area, but the MOT Cars & the Sopwith Camel were
available at Targets and the Santa Fe Engine, Rebel Blockade Runner, Pizza To
Go, & Breezeway Cafe were available at TRU.
Jason Spears | BrickCentral | MichLUG
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In lugnet.general, Ken Bailey wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> snip
> > < Begin Humorous Sarcasm >
> >
> > Well, besides the
> > - MOT sets
> > - Santa Fe sets
> > - Metroliner
> > - Club Car
> > - Guarded Inn
> > - Black Falcon's Fortress
> > - USS Constellation
> > - Countless other various Legends sets
> > - Legends voting
> > - Blacksmith Shop MOC
> > - Santa Fe Cars MOC
> > - Current Bulk Program
> > - PaB
> > - Imperial Star Destoyer
> > - Rebel Blockade Runner
> > - UCS Snowspeeder
> > - Wright Flyer
> > - Sopwith Camel
> > - Red Baron
> > - Shell sets
> > - Seasonal sets (turkey, pumpkin, US flag, Christmas ornaments, etc.)
> > - Statue of Liberty
> > - Minifig Sculpture
> > - Darth Maul bust
> > - Special purchasing deals
> > - LEGO Mosaic
> > - Last shot of Cypress trees
> > - ...and whatever else I have up my sleeve
> >
> > Other than that, you're right, we don't list much! :)
> >
> > < /End Humorous Sarcasm >
>
> Sorry Jake but I have to point out that all of the items listed above are/have
> been only available to those who are able to use S@H or have a Lego brand name
> store close to them ie; NOT the majority of shoppers.
Certainly, minus as Jason says, the times when they do come to retail.
> For those of us that do not (or can't, for whatever reason) shop from S@H and
> who do not have a Lego brand shop in their country, those items might as well be
> on the moon.
Sure, but saying they don't exist, and saying they exist in a channel you don't
feel like using is much different.
> From the impulse/casual buyer's viewpoint, Lego has done none of those things,
> nothing special/extra has been provided for those buyers at all.
Well, besides the entire What Will You Make? line....
More importantly, the comment I responded to had eveything to do with AFOLs. The
comment was that TLC hasn't listened to AFOLs or paid attention to their needs.
My comment was meant to show that we have, in fact, listened to the AFOLs, and
listened in a big way.
> Personally, I think Lego is missing a rather significant part of the market
> here, I realise some (most/all?) of these items have been created as
> "exclusives" for S@H, but if that exclusivity were for, say the first year, and
> then the models etc were supplied to normal retail outlets, either as generally
> available items, or perhaps listed in the catalogs as "special items that you
> can ask your retailer to order for you" then I believe Lego would not be
> dissapointed with the sales figures.
Well, we can't force anything at all on retailers. It's up to them to decide,
ultimately, what they accept and what they don't. When retailers have been
interested in the exclusives, we've worked out deals to get them to them. (As
mentioned by Jason's examples)
I'm not saying that some of these exclusives wouldn't do well in retail, but I'm
also not convinced that it's an absolute no-brainer, slam-dunk.
> So, I guess this is a plea for Lego to consider those of us who, like I said,
> can't or won't use S@H and don't have a Lego brand shop nearby.
I'm actually more interested to know why you won't use S@H.
Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> I'm actually more interested to know why you won't use S@H.
It's more expensive than anywhere else. We have to pay tax AND
shipping on top of full retail prices.
Don
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In lugnet.general, Christian Treczoks wrote:
> Anthony Sava wrote:
> > Jake contacted me and has asked me to post my opinion as to what specific parts
> > I'd like to see offered in Bulk that would make the Castle people happy, much
> > like the old grey train track makes the train people happy.
> >
> > He suggested maybe Castle Wall pieces.
> Yuk. I am an avid builder of things that would fit into the castle area,
> but I don't want to caught dead with such a thing as a "castle wall
> element". Or wooden palisades. Or BURPs (The "U" in BURP is not a joke...).
>
> Walls are supposed to be made of bricks, plates and arches. Anything
> else ist evil ;D
>
> Yours, Christian Treczoks
I agree. Castle wall pieces are not nearly as universally useful as plain old
bricks and plates. You can make a Castle wall piece with bricks, plates, and an
arch - but it's tough to make a car or a mecha out of Castle wall pieces.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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Ironic that the brick packages in Old Grey made available for fans was the
first time those packages were available in several years. Also, making a
minfig pack based on fan suggestions is only now being proposed. It’s as if
only now, when TLG does such a bad thing, do they honestly begin asking for
what we’d like and giving it to us.
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Umm.. You list several things twice - or in two categories (ie. “Countless
Legends Sets” and “Guarded Inn”, “Black Falcon’s Fortress”). Several of those
are just sets (UCS ISD and RBR) - and I can hardly count those as fitting of the
bill of “asking for what we’d like and giving it to us.” If you count those,
then why not count all sets ever? Because I buy those as much or more than the
special offerings!
And I’m not trying to say LEGO has never done anything in our favor, but usually
it is from a top-down approach rather than a down-top approach. Meaning, TLG
gives us a Legend Set, and the Community collectively wonders how/why that
Legend Set was selected. Some Fans have valid complaints or suggestions that
never get really listened to because those thoughts are added after the
decisions have been made.
Now that you’re asking us what pieces should be continually made in Old-Grey
colors - well, now I feel like I’m being able to add my voice to the mix BEFORE
the decision is made - thus, I have the ability to effect what that change is.
I think it is fairly clear why this is happening: TLG was amazed by the Fan
back-lash against the New-Grey and is interested in getting with the Fans to
produce some sort of compromise. This is a wonderful thing, of which I am so
happy to see - I just find it ironic that this level of interaction wasn’t
possible before.
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Well, besides the
- MOT sets
- Santa Fe sets
- Metroliner
- Club Car
- Guarded Inn
- Black Falcon’s Fortress
- USS Constellation
- Countless other various Legends sets
- Legends voting
- Blacksmith Shop MOC
- Santa Fe Cars MOC
- Current Bulk Program
- PaB
- Imperial Star Destoyer
- Rebel Blockade Runner
- UCS Snowspeeder
- Wright Flyer
- Sopwith Camel
- Red Baron
- Shell sets
- Seasonal sets (turkey, pumpkin, US flag, Christmas ornaments, etc.)
- Statue of Liberty
- Minifig Sculpture
- Darth Maul bust
- Special purchasing deals
- LEGO Mosaic
- Last shot of Cypress trees
- ...and whatever else I have up my sleeve
Other than that, you’re right, we don’t list much! :)
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Some of this stuff only really affects the “rich AFOLs” (like the high cost UCS
sets, the Bulk Deal, etc)- people who can spend several hundred dollars in one
sitting. Most AFOLs at Lugnet would fit that bill, I’m sure. But most of my
LEGO spending is in the $20-50 range, with occasional exceptions of me saving up
for the ISD or getting a bonus from work.
Other things on this list are area specific - such as PaBs. PaBs are great
things, but if you don’t live near a LEGO store then it really doesn’t help you
at all. If something like a true PaB was made available through SAH - then it
would go from Great to ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!! because it would affect not just a
few Fans but all Fans. I know this isn’t really something that is possible, but
I think the point is valid.
Let me re-state my point: I’m not talking about the cool things TLG does for
Fans, but the act of actively involving Fans in the decision making process.
Oh, and I suppose someone my point out the Legends vote - my rebuttal - It was a
forced choice between five sets. Forced choice doesn’t equate with a open-ended
question like “What Parts should we keep making in Old Grey?” - which is the
difference between quasi-voice and a true voice in decisions.
-Lenny
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Jake McKee wrote:
> I'm actually more interested to know why you won't use S@H.
Why should I? Too difficiult, too expensive (plus shipping!), and it is
an Online Shop, for heavens sake. There is nothing better for shopping
decisions than to go into a real shop and lay your hands on the product.
Besides, nobody files, records and dissects my shopping preferences in a
Brick and Mortar shop. At least not in the depth like S@H can do (and
propably does!).
Yours, Christian Treczoks
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In lugnet.general, Don Heyse wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
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> > I'm actually more interested to know why you won't use S@H.
>
> It's more expensive than anywhere else. We have to pay tax AND
> shipping on top of full retail prices.
So it's really nothing to do with S@H, but has to do with the concept of online
shopping in the first place?
Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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In lugnet.general, Christian Treczoks wrote:
> Jake McKee wrote:
> > I'm actually more interested to know why you won't use S@H.
> Why should I? Too difficiult, too expensive (plus shipping!), and it is
> an Online Shop, for heavens sake. There is nothing better for shopping
> decisions than to go into a real shop and lay your hands on the product.
Agreed that there's nothing like putting your hands on it. But since 99.9% of
retailers wouldn't carry the ISD, for instance, would you prefer that we simply
don't do it, and concentrate only on things that a retailer *may* decide to
stock? (Remember, we don't and can't _force_ retailers to sell anything)
Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Don Heyse wrote:
> > In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> > > I'm actually more interested to know why you won't use S@H.
> >
> > It's more expensive than anywhere else. We have to pay tax AND
> > shipping on top of full retail prices.
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> So it's really nothing to do with S@H, but has to do with the concept of online
> shopping in the first place?
Or TLC's concept of it. I do plenty of shopping online, but usually
when I get notified of a 25% off sale so I know I'm getting at least
as good a deal as walking into a store. SAH used to have more unique
items. But now most of that is available at the LEGO stores without
the extra shipping charges. Now, if only they weren't so far away...
Don
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Jake McKee wrote:
> So it's really nothing to do with S@H, but has to do with the concept of online
> shopping in the first place?
One word: Yes.
Yours, Christian
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Jake McKee wrote:
> Agreed that there's nothing like putting your hands on it. But since 99.9% of
> retailers wouldn't carry the ISD, for instance, would you prefer that we simply
> don't do it, and concentrate only on things that a retailer *may* decide to
> stock? (Remember, we don't and can't _force_ retailers to sell anything)
Just don't make them so damn exclusive. I'm among the lucky people who
have a brand store in less than an hours drive away, but even *they*
don't carry the sets that I'd like to buy there.
Take bulk packs. The PAB in Cologne has a mediocre selection of mostly
useless (for me) bricks, most of them too bulky (as they are selling by
volume). They could sell bulk packs at least of the smaller parts that
would be too bad for volume-based sales. Instead, they squander space by
selling sword and bionicle claws made from styrofoam (SP?)...
And even S@H does not sell the things I'd really love to buy - and the
brand store actually *has* them, but doesn't want to sell them...
It is a mad, mad world in Billund. If I look up into the Danish sky,
what colour will I see? Pink? Yellowinsh green? A shade of Purple? Who
knows...
Yours, Christian
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Don Heyse wrote:
> > In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> >
> > > I'm actually more interested to know why you won't use S@H.
> >
> > It's more expensive than anywhere else. We have to pay tax AND
> > shipping on top of full retail prices.
>
> So it's really nothing to do with S@H, but has to do with the concept of online
> shopping in the first place?
>
> Jake
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
I'm not sure thats entirely accurate.
It makes sense to me that certain items or kit are only exposed through an
on-line store as retailers are reluctant to carry them.
It makes sense to me (from a business point of view) to ensure that you do not
undercut retailers' prices for those kits which ARE carried by retailers.
What starts to make less sense to me is the high prices of Lego kits (bulk or
specialty) that are offered only or primarily through the on-line store.
Bulk/Accessory kits in particular seem over-priced. Why do I believe that?
It would make sense to me that Lego enthusiasts are the most likely to
purchase bulk or accessory kits. (It seems unlikely that someone would
give 100 2x2 bricks out as a gift to a non-enthusiast). It also seems to
me that this group helps to promote Lego to a younger and wider group of
consumers. I can not forsee an erosion of
the retail marketplace by lowering these prices.
I'd be interested in others opinions on this.
- Jeff
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In lugnet.general, Christian Treczoks wrote:
> Instead, they squander space by selling sword and bionicle claws made from
> styrofoam (SP?)...
When BIONICLE accounts for 25% of all LEGO product turnover, investing a little
space in special items for that powerful market hardly counts as "squandering"
space. It might surprise you to know that the biggest complaint about them is
not that they're made in the first place, but that the range is incredibly
limited. Only five tools have been released in child-sized foam-rubber form,
out of a whopping total of 144 possible subjects (not counting any of the ones
that come with Matoran or Bohrok Va sets, or any as-yet-unreleased tools like
the Vahki blades). No masks or other body parts have been released either, and
there's a serious demand for BIONICLE halloween costumes that has been going
unfilled for too long as it is. The only way they're squandering that space is
by not expanding the range of tools offered. Many kids are very loyal to their
favorite elements, and when offered the choice between a Fire tool and an Earth
tool, will walk away and wait for the day when they can buy a Stone, Air, Water,
or Ice tool.
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> I'm actually more interested to know why you won't use S@H.
Check-By-Phone. I don't use credit cards, and I don't want to wait for my
payment to arrive by snail-mail before my shipment can be sent to me. In
addition to the fact that S@H usually costs more because of S&H charges, it'd
take over a week for me to get my purchases in hand, whereas I can go to local
stores and get them in an hour or less.
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In lugnet.general, Jason Spears wrote:
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Well not sure about in your area, but the MOT Cars & the Sopwith Camel were
available at Targets and the Santa Fe Engine, Rebel Blockade Runner, Pizza To
Go, & Breezeway Cafe were available at TRU.
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Hi Jason
My “Area” happens to be New Zealand - no Targets, no TRU, not much of anything
(unless you count the sheep), so I think I am right in saying that all of these
specials are (for the casual NZ shopper) un-obtainable.
Thanks - Ken
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
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> > Sorry Jake but I have to point out that all of the items listed above
> > are/have been only available to those who are able to use S@H or have a
> > Lego brand name store close to them ie; NOT the majority of shoppers.
>
> Certainly, minus as Jason says, the times when they do come to retail.
Unfortunately, the stores Jason mentions (Target and TRU) do not have branches
here in New Zealand, and apart from 2 Pirate ships re-issued several years ago,
I have seen nothing else in the shops here.
> > For those of us that do not (or can't, for whatever reason) shop from S@H
> > and who do not have a Lego brand shop in their country, those items might
> > as well be on the moon.
>
> Sure, but saying they don't exist, and saying they exist in a channel you
> don't feel like using is much different.
True, but I was also generalising to a certain extent, many, if not most, casual
shoppers do not know about S@H, and there are still many shoppers who do not
like or trust, shopping via the internet, and we definitely do NOT have a Lego
brand shop in this country (and with the size of the country, somehow I don't
think we will be getting one).
> > From the impulse/casual buyer's viewpoint, Lego has done none of those
> > things, nothing special/extra has been provided for those buyers at all.
>
> Well, besides the entire What Will You Make? line....
I agree about that line, . . . but you missed it out of your list ;-)
> More importantly, the comment I responded to had eveything to do with AFOLs.
> The comment was that TLC hasn't listened to AFOLs or paid attention to
> their needs. My comment was meant to show that we have, in fact, listened to
> the AFOLs, and listened in a big way.
True, but I was attempting to point out that there are also others out here who
have not really benefited from that listening.
> > Personally, I think Lego is missing a rather significant part of the market
> > here, I realise some (most/all?) of these items have been created as
> > "exclusives" for S@H, but if that exclusivity were for, say the first year,
> > and then the models etc were supplied to normal retail outlets, either as
> > generally available items, or perhaps listed in the catalogs as "special
> > items that you can ask your retailer to order for you" then I believe Lego
> > would not be dissapointed with the sales figures.
>
> Well, we can't force anything at all on retailers. It's up to them to decide,
> ultimately, what they accept and what they don't. When retailers have been
> interested in the exclusives, we've worked out deals to get them to them. (As
> mentioned by Jason's examples)
That works well, IF the retailers know about the exclusives etc. I have spoken
to some of the local retailers, and they did not even know about S@H and the
exclusives, maybe our local Lego reps need to brush up on their sales skills .
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> I'm not saying that some of these exclusives wouldn't do well in retail, but
> I'm also not convinced that it's an absolute no-brainer, slam-dunk.
I didn't say it was a guaranteed no-brainer, but considering Lego has been
losing money, surely even moderate sales are better than no sales ?
For the last 2 years during the christmas period, I have noticed in one of my
local retailers, several pallets of Megablock Dragon sets, these have
consistently sold very well, I have also seen shoppers looking (in vain) for
comparable Lego castle/fantasy models. A missed opportunity ? After all, the
Black Falcon Fortress, Blacksmith's Shop and Guarded Inn were still being made
at that time, just not available for casual shoppers.
> > So, I guess this is a plea for Lego to consider those of us who, like I
> > said, can't or won't use S@H and don't have a Lego brand shop nearby.
>
> I'm actually more interested to know why you won't use S@H.
For me personally, not so much won't use S@H, at the moment can't use S@H (My
credit card can't handle it) also, even though Lego managed to change the
original post and packing to an option for a cheaper post and packing, that is
still money I would far rather be paying to Lego for more bricks than paying to
UPS.
Sorry for rambling on like this Jake, but maybe every bit of information you can
get will help.
Thanks - Ken
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In lugnet.general, Ken Bailey wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> snip
> > < Begin Humorous Sarcasm >
> >
> > Well, besides the
> > - MOC sets
> > - Santa Fe sets
> > - Metroliner
> > - Club Car
> > - Guarded Inn
> > - Black Falcon's Fortress
> > - USS Constellation
> > - Countless other various Legends sets
> > - Legends voting
> > - Blacksmith Shop MOC
> > - Santa Fe Cars MOC
> > - Current Bulk Program
> > - PaB
> > - Imperial Star Destoyer
> > - Rebel Blockade Runner
> > - UCS Snowspeeder
> > - Wright Flyer
> > - Sopwith Camel
> > - Red Baron
> > - Shell sets
> > - Seasonal sets (turkey, pumpkin, US flag, Christmas ornaments, etc.)
> > - Statue of Liberty
> > - Minifig Sculpture
> > - Darth Maul bust
> > - Special purchasing deals
> > - LEGO Mosaic
> > - Last shot of Cypress trees
> > - ...and whatever else I have up my sleeve
> >
> > Other than that, you're right, we don't list much! :)
> >
> > < /End Humorous Sarcasm >
>
> Sorry Jake but I have to point out that all of the items listed above are/have
> been only available to those who are able to use S@H or have a Lego brand name
> store close to them ie; NOT the majority of shoppers.
>
> For those of us that do not (or can't, for whatever reason) shop from S@H and
> who do not have a Lego brand shop in their country, those items might as well
> be on the moon.
I have to disagree. Shop@Home is available in enough countries that I'm sure
that the majority of shoppers DO have access to a method of buying them. Buying
an exclusive set is always more fun to in a LEGO brand name store, but buying
the same set through Shop@Home isn't really all that bad. (Trust me--I've done
it several times.)
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In lugnet.general, David Gregory wrote:
> > For those of us that do not (or can't, for whatever reason) shop from S@H
> > and who do not have a Lego brand shop in their country, those items might
> > as well be on the moon.
>
> I have to disagree. Shop@Home is available in enough countries that I'm sure
> that the majority of shoppers DO have access to a method of buying them.
> Buying an exclusive set is always more fun to in a LEGO brand name store,
> but buying the same set through Shop@Home isn't really all that bad. (Trust > me--I've done it several times.)
Yes, it might be ok, but you are missing several points here, without a LEGO
brand name store, there is absolutely zero chance of casual/impulse shoppers
buying an exclusive (never mind the fact that people like me never get the
chance to drool over a PAB wall) also the majority of casual/impulse shoppers
have never heard of Shop@Home.
Believe me, once I get my credit card down to manageable levels, I will
certainly be using Shop@Home (assuming they have anything I want by then ;-))
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In lugnet.general, David Gregory wrote:
> I have to disagree. Shop@Home is available in enough countries that I'm sure
> that the majority of shoppers DO have access to a method of buying them.
Same coin, different side. He's not talking about places where S@H is
available, but places where it isn't. S@H is available in a whopping 19
countries, which are currently restricted to portions of North America, Oceania,
and Western Europe (including both Germany and Austria, which at various times
have been associated with Western, Central, or Eastern Europe). The Czech
Republic and South Korea can't even order S@H even though they actually make
some of the bricks now. Central/South America, Africa, the Middle East, Asia,
and the eastern majority of Europe are out of luck (and you can bet that LEGO
Stores are few and far between in those regions). And from everything I've
heard, Oceania's access to S@H isn't really worth considering for casual orders.
Not only are the prices roughly twice as high in AUD as they are in USD, but
since their orders are processed in Europe instead of locally, they have to pay
exhorbitant shipping rates (20-40 AUD if you don't mind waiting up to 18 days
for your shipment to arrive, and 50-90 AUD if you absolutely need it within 4-8
days) whenever they do use the S@H service.
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> Yes, it might be ok, but you are missing several points here, without a LEGO
> brand name store, there is absolutely zero chance of casual/impulse shoppers
> buying an exclusive (never mind the fact that people like me never get the
> chance to drool over a PAB wall) also the majority of casual/impulse shoppers
> have never heard of Shop@Home.
I totally aggree with this.
Take for example, the Shop @ Home only minifig scale Lunar Module.
If it was available from somewhere in australia, I would have definatly
bought it by now.
But because it has to come all the way from denmark, takes ages to get here
and costs big $$$ for the item and shipping, I havent bought one yet.
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