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2nd Joe Vig contest entry - How Joe learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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During a tedious argument with his girlfriend, Joe Vig finds an unexpected release...



Mocpages - Brickshelf

One should probably have seen a certain movie by the aptly named Stanley Kubrick to get this entirely.

Note: I know that the head for Joe is wrong, but due to financial difficulties this summer I’m unable to get hold of the proper one. If the curators for this group consider this a reason to disclude this vig from the contest, I absolutely understand and accept that.


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Re: 2nd Joe Vig contest entry - How Joe learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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   Note: I know that the head for Joe is wrong, but due to financial difficulties this summer I’m unable to get hold of the proper one. If the curators for this group consider this a reason to disclude this vig from the contest, I absolutely understand and accept that.


Sorry, Linus. Our Contest Rules specify that “The Joe Vig minifig must be made as described on The Joe Vig Page, and made clearly visible in at least 1 photo.” (Rule #4).


The Curators suggest that you check Bricklink for the proper minifig head:

http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?invXrefID=15129&invType=F, or
http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?invXrefID=36701&invType=F



And you still have over one month to enter another vignette! Good Luck!

“Big Daddy” Nelson


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Re: 2nd Joe Vig contest entry - How Joe learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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   Sorry, Linus. Our Contest Rules specify that “The Joe Vig minifig must be made as described on The Joe Vig Page, and made clearly visible in at least 1 photo.” (Rule #4).


The Curators suggest that you check Bricklink for the proper minifig head:

http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?invXrefID=15129&invType=F, or
http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?invXrefID=36701&invType=F



And you still have over one month to enter another vignette! Good Luck!

“Big Daddy” Nelson
I figured as much, but thought it was worth a shot. I probably won’t be able to get a head in time, but I’ll get one for the future. Thanks for the reply, Nelson!


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Re: 2nd Joe Vig contest entry - How Joe learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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In lugnet.build.vignette, Linus Bohman wrote:
  
   Sorry, Linus. Our Contest Rules specify that “The Joe Vig minifig must be made as described on The Joe Vig Page, and made clearly visible in at least 1 photo.” (Rule #4).


The Curators suggest that you check Bricklink for the proper minifig head:

http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?invXrefID=15129&invType=F, or
http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?invXrefID=36701&invType=F



And you still have over one month to enter another vignette! Good Luck!

“Big Daddy” Nelson
I figured as much, but thought it was worth a shot. I probably won’t be able to get a head in time, but I’ll get one for the future. Thanks for the reply, Nelson!

That’s a shame. I don’t even use my little yellow friends [1] anymore (our train club, the TCLTC, only uses “fleshies” (unless we need to show that a fig is jaundiced;-), so email me your snail addy and I’ll send you one of mine!

JOHN


[1] quotation from the original Clouseau


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Re: 2nd Joe Vig contest entry - How Joe learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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In lugnet.build.vignette, Nelson Yrizarry wrote:
  
   Note: I know that the head for Joe is wrong, but due to financial difficulties this summer I’m unable to get hold of the proper one. If the curators for this group consider this a reason to disclude this vig from the contest, I absolutely understand and accept that.


Sorry, Linus. Our Contest Rules specify that “The Joe Vig minifig must be made as described on The Joe Vig Page, and made clearly visible in at least 1 photo.” (Rule #4).


The Curators suggest that you check Bricklink for the proper minifig head:

http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?invXrefID=15129&invType=F, or
http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?invXrefID=36701&invType=F



And you still have over one month to enter another vignette! Good Luck!

“Big Daddy” Nelson


Is this is a inside joke??? You can’t be serious?

All I read were some valid reasons as to why a head was not the “right one” then read the “sorry, rulz is da rulz” reply.

I’m just a lurker (in this forum), any maybe I’m missing the inside joke, but if this is for real, then, I’m saddened.

Yes, one fig head is as low as 4 cents, and several stores have no minimum, but who’s to say, someone’s situation are not greater than those given. (Maybe due to underage purchasing power, or lack of ability to set up paypal acct. (1))

Chris Lugnet # 91


1. Which can take some time, and require banking and credit card info.

XFT to lugnet.off-topic.debate


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Re: 2nd Joe Vig contest entry - How Joe learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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In lugnet.build.vignette, Chris Magno wrote:
   In lugnet.build.vignette, Nelson Yrizarry wrote:
  
   Note: I know that the head for Joe is wrong, but due to financial difficulties this summer I’m unable to get hold of the proper one. If the curators for this group consider this a reason to disclude this vig from the contest, I absolutely understand and accept that.


Sorry, Linus. Our Contest Rules specify that “The Joe Vig minifig must be made as described on The Joe Vig Page, and made clearly visible in at least 1 photo.” (Rule #4).


The Curators suggest that you check Bricklink for the proper minifig head:

http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?invXrefID=15129&invType=F, or
http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?invXrefID=36701&invType=F



And you still have over one month to enter another vignette! Good Luck!

“Big Daddy” Nelson


Is this is a inside joke??? You can’t be serious?

All I read were some valid reasons as to why a head was not the “right one” then read the “sorry, rulz is da rulz” reply.

I’m just a lurker (in this forum), any maybe I’m missing the inside joke, but if this is for real, then, I’m saddened.

Well, I’m just a lurker as well so maybe I, too, missed some inside joke, but I took it for real, and my offer still stands.

JOHN


Subject: 
Re: 2nd Joe Vig contest entry - How Joe learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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In lugnet.build.vignette, Chris Magno wrote:
   In lugnet.build.vignette, Nelson Yrizarry wrote: All I read were some valid reasons as to why a head was not the “right one” then read the “sorry, rulz is da rulz” reply.

I’m just a lurker (in this forum), any maybe I’m missing the inside joke, but if this is for real, then, I’m saddened.

Yes, one fig head is as low as 4 cents, and several stores have no minimum, but who’s to say, someone’s situation are not greater than those given. (Maybe due to underage purchasing power, or lack of ability to set up paypal acct. (1))

I tend to agree. Also, the contest should be expanded to anyone who can’t afford LEGO bricks. Allowing MegaBloks, Tyco, BestLock, and BTR pieces for the Joe Vig Contest should be allowed. Heck, some might not be able to afford building block toys at all, so we should expand the contest to include any building material you can find, including dirt, twigs, and chewed gum.

-Lenny


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Re: 2nd Joe Vig contest entry - How Joe learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
   In lugnet.build.vignette, Chris Magno wrote:
   In lugnet.build.vignette, Nelson Yrizarry wrote: All I read were some valid reasons as to why a head was not the “right one” then read the “sorry, rulz is da rulz” reply.

I’m just a lurker (in this forum), any maybe I’m missing the inside joke, but if this is for real, then, I’m saddened.

Yes, one fig head is as low as 4 cents, and several stores have no minimum, but who’s to say, someone’s situation are not greater than those given. (Maybe due to underage purchasing power, or lack of ability to set up paypal acct. (1))

I tend to agree. Also, the contest should be expanded to anyone who can’t afford LEGO bricks. Allowing MegaBloks, Tyco, BestLock, and BTR pieces for the Joe Vig Contest should be allowed.

Hey, that sounds like a challenge. I’ll see what I can do...

   Heck, some might not be able to afford building block toys at all, so we should expand the contest to include any building material you can find, including dirt, twigs, and chewed gum.

Well, now you’re just being silly.

Dave!


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Re: 2nd Joe Vig contest entry - How Joe learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Leonard Hoffman wrote:

  
   I tend to agree. Also, the contest should be expanded to anyone who can’t afford LEGO bricks. Allowing MegaBloks, Tyco, BestLock, and BTR pieces for the Joe Vig Contest should be allowed.

Hey, that sounds like a challenge. I’ll see what I can do...

   Heck, some might not be able to afford building block toys at all, so we should expand the contest to include any building material you can find, including dirt, twigs, and chewed gum.

Well, now you’re just being silly.

Silly to some, opportunity for others. I’ll see what I can do....

JOHN


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Re: 2nd Joe Vig contest entry - How Joe learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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   That’s a shame. I don’t even use my little yellow friends [1] anymore (our train club, the TCLTC, only uses “fleshies” (unless we need to show that a fig is jaundiced;-), so email me your snail addy and I’ll send you one of mine!

JOHN


[1] quotation from the original Clouseau

John, you are very kind. I’ve sent you an e-mail.


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Re: 2nd Joe Vig contest entry - How Joe learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
In lugnet.build.vignette, Chris Magno wrote:
In lugnet.build.vignette, Nelson Yrizarry wrote:
All I read were some valid reasons as to why a head was not the "right one"
then read the "sorry, rulz is da rulz" reply.

I'm just a lurker (in this forum), any maybe I'm missing the inside joke,
but if this is for real, then, I'm saddened.

Yes, one fig head is as low as 4 cents, and several stores have no minimum,
but who’s to say, someone’s situation are not greater than those given.
(Maybe due to underage purchasing power, or lack of ability to set up paypal
acct. (1))

I tend to agree.  Also, the contest should be expanded to anyone who can't
afford LEGO bricks.  Allowing MegaBloks, Tyco, BestLock, and BTR pieces for
the Joe Vig Contest should be allowed.  Heck, some might not be able to
afford building block toys at all, so we should expand the contest to include
any building material you can find, including dirt, twigs, and chewed gum.

Wow, (while I can give a polite "LOL" to the well played sarcasm,) my stomach
turns as socialism takes another blow in the face from capitalism.

Lenny while I have always respected your points, and will continue to here...
either you are the king of mixed messages, or I see/saw qualities in you that
don't seem to make sense on the whole to me based on the parts of your
personality I am familiar with.  Sympathy for one example.

Colour me, with rose coloured glasses, but I have always felt the point of
having a "community" was to share, encourage and enlighten others that share a
common interest.  Silly me, I want to learn and grow my own skills from the
collective strength of others.  Their realised concepts, conquests over the
constraints of the bricks, the clever discoveries and outstanding executions
based on the knowledge, skills and development of their efforts.  I didn't
realise it was more about the high school mentality of "my member is bigger than
yours", those that die with the most bricks, win....  or the sad reality of
securing everyone in a neatly labelled box.

Yeah yeah yeah, I get it, sign on the dotted line, rules are rules and those
that set up the contest have stated their decision.  I do not aim to change or
judge that, ~AND~ I would feel differently if the original post was trying to
pull some scam or if someone else that followed the rules lost out to someone
that had disregarded them for no other reason than just being a jerk.  But as I
see it, that was not the case here, (and considering the following facts, such
as Lugnet going for a 7 hour period with out a single post, and the fact that
recently there are as few as 13-15 posts for a 24 hour period)  I think we would
all be off a lot better off if we stopped forcing issues, and cut everyone just
a tad bit of slack.

Of course, that's just me, and my suit hating, tree hugging ways... I know I
couldn't willingly exclude anyone that went to an effort and admitted their
shortcomings. It's not news to many of you that I have issues when it comes to
conforming and I have spent a good part of my life embracing and encouraging
those that need to, or should, walked to the beat of their own drum, and
thankfully I was lucky to have had the gift of being treated that way by a few
important mentors in my life.  I have no shame or remorse for wanting to be
inclusive and harbour no resentment to those that don't want to, or can't.  I do
feel compelled to at least defend the reasons I want to be part of this
community, and nowhere does that include dismissing anyone's effort over a small
amount of printing on a yellow round one by one.

Respectfully submitted,

Janey "Red Brick"


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Re: 2nd Joe Vig contest entry - How Joe learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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In lugnet.build.vignette, Nelson Yrizarry wrote:

   And you still have over one month to enter another vignette! Good Luck!

“Big Daddy” Nelson

Well, I’ll jump in and agree with Chris and Janey.

‘Big Daddy’, you’re reply was not very considerate. You could have moderated the tone of your reply just a little. Did you canvas the curators of the .vignette group before posting? Or did you assume that everyone would agree with your attitude?

Certainly, you’ve alienated me enough that I will not be entering this contest - and probably any other contest with which you are involved.

BTW, your comment about entering ‘another’ vignette seems to be somewhat inaccurate - I don’t see anywhere on the rules page for the 2nd annual contest that would prohibit the entry from being re-submitted with the correct head. Maybe you could make this clear, if there is a reason the vignette isn’t eligible?

Paul Sinasohn LUGNET #115


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Re: 2nd Joe Vig contest entry - How Joe learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
   In lugnet.build.vignette, Chris Magno wrote:
   In lugnet.build.vignette, Nelson Yrizarry wrote: All I read were some valid reasons as to why a head was not the “right one” then read the “sorry, rulz is da rulz” reply.

I’m just a lurker (in this forum), any maybe I’m missing the inside joke, but if this is for real, then, I’m saddened.

Yes, one fig head is as low as 4 cents, and several stores have no minimum, but who’s to say, someone’s situation are not greater than those given. (Maybe due to underage purchasing power, or lack of ability to set up paypal acct. (1))

I tend to agree. Also, the contest should be expanded to anyone who can’t afford LEGO bricks. Allowing MegaBloks, Tyco, BestLock, and BTR pieces for the Joe Vig Contest should be allowed. Heck, some might not be able to afford building block toys at all, so we should expand the contest to include any building material you can find, including dirt, twigs, and chewed gum.

-Lenny

(Lone-Clap, Clap, Clap)

Lets hear it for the great orator; Lenny. With sympathy like that, who needs enemies?

I tried to succinctly explain that I was stunned by a decision that was made, for what appeared to be, valid reasons. I said “I was saddened.”

Your (in appearance) callous reply, only shows me that the Wide and Embracing Community that was, is no longer.

Regards

Chris


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Re: 2nd Joe Vig contest entry - How Joe learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Chris Magno wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
   In lugnet.build.vignette, Chris Magno wrote:
   In lugnet.build.vignette, Nelson Yrizarry wrote: All I read were some valid reasons as to why a head was not the “right one” then read the “sorry, rulz is da rulz” reply.

I’m just a lurker (in this forum), any maybe I’m missing the inside joke, but if this is for real, then, I’m saddened.

Yes, one fig head is as low as 4 cents, and several stores have no minimum, but who’s to say, someone’s situation are not greater than those given. (Maybe due to underage purchasing power, or lack of ability to set up paypal acct. (1))

I tend to agree. Also, the contest should be expanded to anyone who can’t afford LEGO bricks. Allowing MegaBloks, Tyco, BestLock, and BTR pieces for the Joe Vig Contest should be allowed. Heck, some might not be able to afford building block toys at all, so we should expand the contest to include any building material you can find, including dirt, twigs, and chewed gum.

-Lenny

(Lone-Clap, Clap, Clap)

Lets hear it for the great orator; Lenny. With sympathy like that, who needs enemies?

I tried to succinctly explain that I was stunned by a decision that was made, for what appeared to be, valid reasons. I said “I was saddened.”

Your (in appearance) callous reply, only shows me that the Wide and Embracing Community that was, is no longer.

Regards

Chris

Did you post this message because you are “saddened”, or because you wanted to take a shot at Lenny? If you don’t like the contest sponsors’ ruling, then do something helpful, like John Neal did. Or maybe sponsor your own contest - one without rules, perhaps?

Why all the outrage over the fact that a contest has rules and that those rules were enforced? The response is especially inexplicable given that the situation seemed to have been resolved quite nicely before it was taken up as a cause celebre.

Marc Nelson Jr.

Marc’s Creations


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Re: 2nd Joe Vig contest entry - How Joe learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
   Did you post this message because you are “saddened”, or because you wanted to take a shot at Lenny?

Did you post this message just to defend Lenny, or because you wanted to take a shot at Chris?

(And before you ask: Yes, I am posting this because I want to take a shot at you.)


   If you don’t like the contest sponsors’ ruling, then do something helpful, like John Neal did.

Why? It seems John’s already posting the mandated head.

   Or maybe sponsor your own contest - one without rules, perhaps?

Good idea. I wonder what this mysterious contest could be about...

   Why all the outrage over the fact that a contest has rules and that those rules were enforced?

If you don’t understand why, maybe you need to think more deeply about it.

   The response is especially inexplicable given that the situation seemed to have been resolved quite nicely before it was taken up as a cause celebre.

That’s what I thought too... until you started demanding that Chris imitate John.

Cheers

Richie Dulin


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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richie Dulin wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
   Did you post this message because you are “saddened”, or because you wanted to take a shot at Lenny?

Did you post this message just to defend Lenny, or because you wanted to take a shot at Chris?

(And before you ask: Yes, I am posting this because I want to take a shot at you.)

To defend Lenny (whose reply I found amusing) and also Nelson, who’s being painted as some sort of bad guy for enforcing the rules of his contest. Why would you want to take a shot at me?

  
   If you don’t like the contest sponsors’ ruling, then do something helpful, like John Neal did.

Why? It seems John’s already posting the mandated head.

That’s why I said “like”. It was an example.

  
   Or maybe sponsor your own contest - one without rules, perhaps?

Good idea. I wonder what this mysterious contest could be about...

I guess it can be about anything. To make and enforce rules would be mean-spirited, apparently.

  
   Why all the outrage over the fact that a contest has rules and that those rules were enforced?

If you don’t understand why, maybe you need to think more deeply about it.

   The response is especially inexplicable given that the situation seemed to have been resolved quite nicely before it was taken up as a cause celebre.

That’s what I thought too... until you started demanding that Chris imitate John.

Cheers

Richie Dulin

I don’t think it’s really that complicated. The rules are clear and were fairly enforced; Linus gracefully accepted the ruling; John is helping him comply with the rules. What’s the problem?

Marc Nelson Jr.

Marc’s Creations


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Re: 2nd Joe Vig contest entry - How Joe learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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In lugnet.build.vignette, Linus Bohman wrote:
  
   That’s a shame. I don’t even use my little yellow friends [1] anymore (our train club, the TCLTC, only uses “fleshies” (unless we need to show that a fig is jaundiced;-), so email me your snail addy and I’ll send you one of mine!

JOHN


[1] quotation from the original Clouseau

John, you are very kind. I’ve sent you an e-mail.

This is very, very sporting of you, John Neal!

Thank you for your generosity and kindness, and may you be amply rewarded!


“Big Daddy” Nelson


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   I don’t think it’s really that complicated. The rules are clear and were fairly enforced; Linus gracefully accepted the ruling; John is helping him comply with the rules. What’s the problem?

Marc Nelson Jr.

Marc’s
Creations

My sentiments as well. I’m glad the rules are enforced, which ensures that this contest is more enjoyable in the end. There really is no need for a greater debate than that.


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   Well, I’ll jump in and agree with Chris and Janey.

‘Big Daddy’, you’re reply was not very considerate. You could have moderated the tone of your reply just a little. Did you canvas the curators of the .vignette group before posting? Or did you assume that everyone would agree with your attitude?

Certainly, you’ve alienated me enough that I will not be entering this contest - and probably any other contest with which you are involved.

BTW, your comment about entering ‘another’ vignette seems to be somewhat inaccurate - I don’t see anywhere on the rules page for the 2nd annual contest that would prohibit the entry from being re-submitted with the correct head. Maybe you could make this clear, if there is a reason the vignette isn’t eligible?

Paul Sinasohn LUGNET #115

It is always hard to get one’s message and tone across in a written medium. I did not find Nelson’s message inconsiderate, or perceived him as having an attitude - it was simply a direct and honest answer. As I stated earlier, in the end I am happy that he knows where to draw the line, making the contest much more enjoyable for everyone.

I have received an e-mail from him and Nathan enabling me to re-enter this later on with the proper head, should I want to. No need to dig any deeper than that :-)

Linus


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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Paul Sinasohn wrote:
   Well, I’ll jump in and agree with Chris and Janey.

‘Big Daddy’, you’re reply was not very considerate. You could have moderated the tone of your reply just a little. Did you canvas the curators of the .vignette group before posting? Or did you assume that everyone would agree with your attitude?

Hello, Paul. Thank you for your opinion. For the record, Nathan and I were in complete agreement prior to my reply to Linus.


   Certainly, you’ve alienated me enough that I will not be entering this contest - and probably any other contest with which you are involved.

We are very sorry to hear that. Your response seems to be a very personal attack on me, but that is your perogative.
If you wish to enter our Second Joe Vig Contest, you are still very welcome to do so.


   BTW, your comment about entering ‘another’ vignette seems to be somewhat inaccurate - I don’t see anywhere on the rules page for the 2nd annual contest that would prohibit the entry from being re-submitted with the correct head. Maybe you could make this clear, if there is a reason the vignette isn’t eligible?

You are absolutely correct on this. We have since emailed Linus Bohman regarding, and if he wishes to resubmit his entry, with the proper ‘Joe Vig’ minifig build, as clearly defined in the Contest Rules, then we will accept his entry.

KUDOS to LUGNET member John Neal, for volunteering to assist Linus.

“Big Daddy” Nelson


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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Linus Bohman wrote:
  
My sentiments as well. I’m glad the rules are enforced, which ensures that this contest is more enjoyable in the end. There really is no need for a greater debate than that.

While there is no need for debate for this particular example I don’t think it is entirely unneccesary. The debate goes beyond the current example into the wider realm of contests, rules, strict interpretations, internet manners etc. Just because this particular example is resolved for the parties concerned doesn’t mean there isn’t legitimate grounds for a general debate.

Tim

PS. As it stands I agree with Nelson that rules of competitions should be enforced, if only because some people may make great efforts to follow them and making them more flexible diminishes those peoples efforts.


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Hey all,

I’m confused as to the “debate” here. This seems a perfect example of community. Two community members sponsored a contest to encourage building and donated the prizes (including the first prize as a $50 set). Another community member was inspired by this to build a great MOC. When it was pointed out that this didn’t comply to the rules, that member was gracious in agreeing to the judges’ decision. Still another member donated an element to make the entry compliant -- the true “community” solution. This is all about a gracious and friendly community.

I’m only kicking myself that I didn’t think of sending a head myself.

Bruce


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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Hietbrink wrote:
Hey all,

I'm confused as to the "debate" here.  This seems a perfect example of
community.  Two community members sponsored a contest to encourage building
and donated the prizes (including the first prize as a $50 set).  Another
community member was inspired by this to build a great MOC.  When it was
pointed out that this didn't comply to the rules, that member was gracious in
agreeing to the judges' decision.  Still another member donated an element to
make the entry compliant -- the true "community" solution.  This is all about
a gracious and friendly community.

Yes. There is a warm and embracing community here, or what's left of one, and it
acted the way we all have seen it act in the past, warmly, as you describe
above. The part you missed though, is that there is also a much less warm and
embracing community here too.

If these terms confuse you, take a good look at
http://www.lugnet.com/people/members/?m=1285 and decide if what is written there
is sincere, or mocking. (and think about what it says about the LEGO ambassador
program that they'd not notice that in their selection process)

Then look at http://news.lugnet.com/build/vignette/?n=778 and decide if that
entry is made sincerely or to try to stir up controversy.

Then if you still have any doubt, look at http://www.lugnet.com/~1285/CTOPs and
try to count who was mocked how many times... Just for giggles, see
http://news.lugnet.com/loc/au/?n=13881 and think about the name choice of the
ship.

There's plenty more where that came from, you just have to keep your eyes open.

Hope that helps.


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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:

Then look at http://news.lugnet.com/build/vignette/?n=778 and decide if that
entry is made sincerely or to try to stir up controversy.

It's a joke, Larry. Or am I the only one that thinks this whole 'discussion' is
hilariously absurd?

Allister


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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
Yes. There is a warm and embracing community here, or what's left of one, and it
acted the way we all have seen it act in the past, warmly, as you describe
above. The part you missed though, is that there is also a much less warm and
embracing community here too.

If these terms confuse you, take a good look at
http://www.lugnet.com/people/members/?m=1285 and decide if what is written there
is sincere, or mocking. (and think about what it says about the LEGO ambassador
program that they'd not notice that in their selection process)

Then look at http://news.lugnet.com/build/vignette/?n=778 and decide if that
entry is made sincerely or to try to stir up controversy.

Then if you still have any doubt, look at http://www.lugnet.com/~1285/CTOPs and
try to count who was mocked how many times... Just for giggles, see
http://news.lugnet.com/loc/au/?n=13881 and think about the name choice of the
ship.

The Seatop is a brig, as I specified in my post, not a ship. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brig for further details.

Cheers

Richie Dulin


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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote: SNIP

Marc, I will endeavor to be as simple as I can in my reply, I hope you will be able to read deeply into the answers, as short as they are.

  
Did you post this message because you are “saddened”,


Yes.

   or because you wanted to take a shot at Lenny?

YES.

(best 6 year old voice I can muster)

HE started it!!!!

(end best 6 year old voice I can muster)


   If you don’t like the contest sponsors’ ruling, then do something helpful, like John Neal did.

If I had one of those heads I would have also made an offer. After the first offer was made, any further offers would be moot.

   Or maybe sponsor your own contest - one without rules, perhaps?


I routinely hold contests with many lose and vague rules, all with the guidance of a simple phrase “Spirit of the game.”

Ergo, to see other strict rule enforcement within the WEC made me “sad.”

   Why all the outrage over the fact that a contest has rules and that those rules were enforced? The response is especially inexplicable given that the situation seemed to have been resolved quite nicely before it was taken up as a cause celebre.

Marc Nelson Jr.



There was no “outrage,” I simply said I was “saddened” then promptly forwarded this to O.T.D. to show my respect to the forum, and contest. The outrage happened when people reply to my post with sarcasm.

If you want sarcasm just let me know.

Chris


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--SNIP--

   and nowhere does that include dismissing anyone’s effort over a small amount of printing on a yellow round one by one.

--SNIP--

Dear Janey,

I have to take issue with the above statement. A yellow round one by one is one of these things whereas I’m sure you mean a yellow head which is an entirely different thing. I’m sure you understand the importance of correct nomenclature.

Tim


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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Chris Magno wrote:

<snip>

.

If you want sarcasm just let me know.

Chris

Me!  Me!  Me!!!  I want sarcasm!!!!!!

If it was my contest, and only if it was my contest, I would have stated in 'da
rulz' that Joe Vig has to be composed of such'n such colour of torso, legs, and
use Ron's head.

*However*, I would have also specified that, in lieu of Ron's head, you could
use the classic smilie face 'cause that's all there was from '78 until a few
years back--and if people stopped pruchasing LEGO in the past decade, they would
not have had any minifig head besides the classic smilie face.

See, the torsos and legs that make up Joe Vig have been around since mini-figs
began.  Ron's head--not so much.  I think that's a legitimate consideration.

Sure, Ron's head is easily purchased from Bricklink (or given, as John so
wonderfully demonstrated).  That said, 20ish years of 1 smilie face should also
be deemed sufficient.

But that's just me.

Dave K


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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
  
Did you post this message because you are “saddened”, or because you wanted to take a shot at Lenny?

Dear Mr. Jr., (both you and Dear Sir Hoffman actually), you make it in such an unbearable fashion that, it is almost impossible not to want to take a shot... at both of you..:-)

with my warmest embraces,

Selçuk


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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:

Then look at http://news.lugnet.com/build/vignette/?n=778 and decide if that
entry is made sincerely or to try to stir up controversy.




C'mon Larry, this is good..:-) Made me smile, and even giggle..more than
once..:-)



Selçuk


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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:

If these terms confuse you, take a good look at
http://www.lugnet.com/people/members/?m=1285 and decide if what is written there
is sincere, or mocking. (and think about what it says about the LEGO ambassador
program that they'd not notice that in their selection process)

Then look at http://news.lugnet.com/build/vignette/?n=778 and decide if that
entry is made sincerely or to try to stir up controversy.

Then if you still have any doubt, look at http://www.lugnet.com/~1285/CTOPs and
try to count who was mocked how many times... Just for giggles, see
http://news.lugnet.com/loc/au/?n=13881 and think about the name choice of the
ship.

There's plenty more where that came from, you just have to keep your eyes open.

LMAO!!! Thanks for bringing those to my attention, Larry! They truly made my day
- I haven't laughed so much for ages! That Richie guy is a riot!! I managed to
find the Joe Vig entry myself though, and liked it so much I spotlighted it, so
the rest of the warm (and not-so-warm) embracing community could share in it's
delights!

ROSCO

PS: What happened to ++Lar?????


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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:

*However*, I would have also specified that, in lieu of Ron's head, you could
use the classic smilie face 'cause that's all there was from '78 until a few
years back--and if people stopped pruchasing LEGO in the past decade, they would
not have had any minifig head besides the classic smilie face.


I stopped purchasing Lego before 1978, and I *demand* to be able to
submit a Joe Vig contest entry using my blank-faced and armless old
minifigs. With a police hat, not the fancy brown male hair from 1979.

I also see the need for an alternative using only regular bricks to
build Joe, in case someone stopped purchasing Lego before the early
1970's and feels left out.

We also need rules for a 2:1 scale 16x16 vig where you don't need
to have access to the fancy new 1xN slim bricks introduced in the
sixties.

Seriously, I doubt that anyone on Lugnet has *stopped* buying Lego.
I did stop before 1978, but I soon started again, when Technic
took off and became a good excuse to keep buying.
In my opinion, a vignette entry and any other public posting is
a good and welcome *reason* to buy a few extra pieces.

But I can quit any time I want. Really. Just not right now.


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