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(...) Hard to say... you are measuring it to a very demanding scale... Pirates and Castle (and Space) are the most popular themes LEGO has produced; it's a hard act to follow. I liked western - some good sets for parting out(1), and decent (...) (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) I think they will go back to Wild west within the next three to four years. For now they are too busy with star wars and some of the other new themes. If we show more interest here for the western theme than in the past maybe they will take (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) A Civil War theme would be great!! They can have little forts, or some of the armored ships that started to appear then! Tons of playset possibilites . . . . -Jonathan (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) If (...) Now were talking. Who else wants a Civil War theme? David (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) left (...) I do!!! Cool... An Abraham Limcoln minifig... Black slaves... Black? There's a problem here. How would TLC deal with the issues of racism, slaves, etc.? Up till now, there weren't any black-white-minorities issues, since all (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) faces? (...) Go to the .starwars group, they've been debating the race issue for at least a week. Karl Martinson raymart@jam21.net (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) faces? (...) That is where TLC will run into a problem. All minifigs are yellow so that any child, of any race can relate to them. no other toy on the market is as neutral as lego. for example the are 4 diffrent types of the same barbie doll- (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) I agree. TLC were definitely either real smart to avoid the issue, or just so stupid that they didn't even think about it. (Well... that's a bit far- fetched... :-) (...) I don't know about that - after all, it IS part of the US history. They (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) slaves (...) I never heard that TLC only had yellow figs to stay away from race issues. If so fine. But they shouldn't stay away from the Civil War just because of slavery or race issues. I mean this is part of our history. What a great way to (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) neutrality. (...) you (...) I also think that civil war lego is a good idea, but I dont think that they should have slaves in the sets. The civil war should was not just over slavery it was also over states rights, and to this day some people (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) I agree I don't think that they should have slaves in the sets. I don't even think that you have to go so far as making Grant, Lee, and Lincoln minifigs. If you keep races neutral then you should keep names and faces neutral too. Its about (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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Just give us the tools to (...) Exactly right its up to the parents. And I totally agree with your final sentance there are so many kids who have no idea of their history and the history of their country. -Rich (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) What sets would you like to see? 1.I think that Jonathan's idea about the Iron Clads is great. 2.A huge earth and wood fort would be great too. 3.A camp set 4.What about a cool bridge that both sides could be trying win. What do you think? I (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) Who's to say they would need slaves? The Civil War was more than slavery, the could just concentrate on the battles and not the causes. (soap box mode et drifting off topic) The war was fought over the opression of the North on the South, (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) neutrality. (...) Thinking from a marketing stand-point, The school history teachers (2-4th grades), not to mention college professors would grab this stuff right off the shelves, not to mention AFOL's and adult and KABOB history buffs. -John (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) Regardless of what the Civil War *was* about, a lot of the current study and, more importantly, social relevance *is* about slavery. If Lego were making Civil War sets 135 years ago, maybe they wouldn't need to represent slavery. But now, to (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) I see your point - I know that in Israel nobody learns about the U.S. civil war in schools, especially not in elementary (the age to which LEGO is directed- 5 to 12) and I think not in High or Jr. High schools either. I definitely didn't (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) Do you think that people overseas would buy US Civil War Sets? I think they would sell really well in the states. I would love to see Zulu war Sets too.. David (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) Then why not release them U.S. exclusive at least, I know it would be a big seller in the U.S. (see (URL) ) (...) What were the imperial's in the pirate line? (...) And the Islanders? -John Rudy (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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As far as the *need* for slaves in a American Civil War theme, I don't see where there is a need for any. Many historians will tell you that the slavery issue was a very minor point in the entire affair and was only brought up by Lincoln as a reason (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) Civil (...) Great points! Besides the fact that during the pirate era was most of the slave trading and lego avoided that just as they could with the Civil War sets. David (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) Don't forget to anger the south, the slaves there were posetions. (SP?) Slavery and the ultimate freeing of the slaves were just minor downfalls of the south. I encourage anyone who doesn't support the lego/Civil war issue because of racial (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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In lugnet.western, John Rudy and others write: (...) Maybe one night when my insomnia's acting up! 8^) The U.S. is a culture which, idiotic though it be, recently castigated a public figure for using "niggardly" in a speech! Does anyone seriously (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) The reason you don't see slaves in the pirate theme is that slaves really aren't part of the romanticized pirate genre. This is also the reason I doubt we will see a Civil War theme, or any other real war theme. They haven't been romanticized. (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) Well, I don't know. They might... I mean, I don't think kids would be really interested in the background behind the scenes - only in the scenes themselves. Especially if they don't already know the background. -Shiri (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) exclusion (...) deliberate (...) I would disagree with your thoughts on the Civil War not being romanticized or any other war for that matter. I mean just watch Gettysburgh they romanticize the dickens out of Pickets charge. How is that any (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) Personally, it seems to me that there would be an uproar if slaves *were* included in a Civil War theme. I remember a lot of very heated debates in an otherwise calm high school American History class when we discussed the topic of slavery and (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) Well, I've never learned of the causes/effects of the U.S. Civil war, so I can't disagree. If the slaves were indeed just an excuse, then certainly TLC could drop them. If they wanted to, that is. (1) (...) Oooh! Guillotines and all the reign (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) If TLC makes Civil war lego sets its a lose/lose situation. If the dont put slaves in the sets they they will be blasted for not dipictiing an inportant part of the civil war. If they do put slaves in the sets the will be blasted for making (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) or (...) romanticize (...) Valid points. I agree that they will probably not make a Civil War theme (which I hate to say). I still think that there is a way to do it tactfully and respectfully, tho. Like it was ealier said, you don't have to (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) Although I do not believe the civl war is a good war to choose, I dont want to give up a war theme either. I believe that if lego was to make a war theme they should make a fictional war, because no matter which war they choose, every war has (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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If they do put slaves in the sets the will be blasted (...) What about the Union army units that were blacks? Sorry, I don't remember numbers of units, but I know some boston (mass) units were all blacks. Also, realize that the American Civil War (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) Sure it was. It was a war a long time in coming and the slavery issue that was the match that sparked the fire. It was also a war about states rights ETC. but my point was that if you dont put slaves in the sets TLC will have trouble, and if (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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David Little wrote in message ... (...) in (...) I (...) or (...) romanticize (...) castle (...) I have to admit to not having seen any of the Civil War movies (other than Gone With The Wind). I still say that the Civil War has not been (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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In lugnet.western, Frank Filz writes: [snip] (...) Why should there be any interaction between ninja and other castle sets? One is in Japan, the rest is in Europe! How would they meet? (Where would they meet? Halfway thru? In Pakistan? :-) If (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western, lugnet.castle)
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(...) I had one set of plastic Civil War soldiers when I was about 4, but I haven't seen many other toys. However, this points out an interesting market trend that addresses a point made elsewhere on this thread: Someone suggested that a Civil War (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) I remember small plastic Civil War soldiers when I was younger as well. I do know that <a href="(URL)Playmobil</a> currently has Civil War sets out now. Check it out. I think that they have been doing Civil War for 20 years now if I remember (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) Well, now I don't know what to think, especially since Playmobil and Lego have run parallel product lines so often in the past! Dave! (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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(...) I think Playmobil shows that the Civil War can be done. Not only that, but that it can be done tastefully with out causing hard feelings to anyone. You don't have to put people in chains. It doesn't have to have every detail of the war. It's (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)
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Shiri <shirid@hotmail.com> schreef in berichtnieuws FnL6up.CGL@lugnet.com... (...) One (...) fact, (...) You've got a reasonable point there, but what I think the other guy meant was that Ninja actually should've been a theme of its own. IMHO Ninja (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.castle)
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(...) Actually, I think Frank was just trying to make a point about conflicts - I was just picking on one certain sentence. See it in the context: Frank wrote the following anecdote: (...) So you see he was actually saying that TLC was avoiding (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.castle)
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Shiri <shirid@hotmail.com> schreef in berichtnieuws Fnoq0K.2Bu@lugnet.com... (...) FnL6up.CGL@lugnet.com... (...) sets? (...) they (...) (In (...) I (...) be (...) whites (...) against the (...) ninja (...) with (...) Now that I read the anecdote, I (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.castle)
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(...) I know this thread has been dead and gone for a while, but I've been thinking (I know what your thinking,"I can smell the wood burning"). I have a few ideas. (...) Great Idea! -Blockade runners -Southern subs (IE C.S.S. Huntly) -Torpedo (...) (25 years ago, 11-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)
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I'm new over here in .western, but I like it... I'm sure somebody already said "More western town!" This would be lots of cool, historical facades for buildings with second stories, architectural details like stringcourse & frieze below the roof, (...) (25 years ago, 12-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)
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(...) I can't agree more. There is just so much more left to be done with the western theme. I hope they bring it back before to long. I still would love to see a mexican-american based sub theme and a northern mountain man type of sub theme. David (25 years ago, 15-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)
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(...) Yeah, the message that I'm replying to is a couple months old, but I've gotta add my $.02 'cos this deals with some issues that are important to me. I didn't go back through the .starwars discussions to find where exactly the race issue comes (...) (25 years ago, 19-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.starwars)
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I to would love to see lando make it into lego. I just think something would be missing if he didn't. About lego not doing civil war sets, I would not rule it out. Remember Playmobil is a european company and they do american civil war figures. Lego (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Once upon a time it was evident that Lego was not a war toy, back when the castle and space themes were young, but it seems that with each new theme, or introduction of a sub theme Lego is just beggin' the kids to play war with their Legos. (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I'm confused. There's all this talk about how Lego won't do a Civil war theme, because it's American and Lego is European. The thing is, the whole western theme is American, in the first place. The whole cowboys and indians (or Native (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.starwars)
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Notice "Follow-Up"... (...) [screech!...] [CRASH!!!] You just hit one of my major pet peeves. *I* am a native American citizen. I am *NOT*, however, of the American Indian ethnicity!!! I was _born_ here in the US of A. _ANYONE_ who was _BORN_ within (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's because the "Wild West" is a genre of interest in Europe, possibly more than it is here. Very much from the mythological "Cowboys 'n' Injuns" POV, rather than real history. The US Civil War isn't of particular interest to Europeans (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)
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(...) Ok, I just think I have to agree with Jonathan on this one. I think that there is interest for the american civil war in europe. I will make my Playmobil reference again. They are a European company and they have civil war sets. See for your (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)
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(...) Hmmm, I wonder if (to get this back "on topic" for .starwars) if TLG can't acquire a license to "F Troop"...or maybe to "Glory" (but then they'd have to handle race in minifigs, wouldn't they?). Idle speculation, and naturally it's got zero (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.starwars)
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On 30 Dec. 1999, in lugnet.western, David little writes: "...the pirate era was [when] most of the slave trading [ocurred] and lego avoided that just as they could with the Civil War sets." I'm all for African minifigs. I want minifig heads in all (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)
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(...) I read somewhere here that Lego only does yellow heads to stay away from race issues. Is this actually true? Has anyone confirmed this with Lego? Earlier I had just took the yellow head thing for gospel when I read it. Honestly I don't see (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)
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In lugnet.western, David Little writes: I whole heartedly agree on this one, if Lego wants to do something, it gets done, the star wars contract is a good example of that. I for one stopped waiting for black minifigs years ago. I've been making my (...) (25 years ago, 24-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)
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(...) attributing my post to david little. I'm terribly sorry. Jon (25 years ago, 24-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)
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I just recieved an email from Jon Furman that included jpegs of his homemade nubian minifigs. They are really the motts and anyone who has followed this conversation that has not requested to recieve them from him really should get in touch. Also, (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)
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In thinking about the future of wild west possibilities, especially when combining WW with adventurers, the possibilities really are cool. The two time periods are the closest together of all the sets. You could set the time period towards the late (...) (25 years ago, 29-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)
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[notice "follow-up"] (...) I've done this myself. I've got several WW figs that were originally Adv., and vice-versa. [snip] (...) [expression type="smirk"] Do tell... Why, yes, now that you ask, I *have* made a tommy-gun for my minifigs. (...) (25 years ago, 29-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.adventurers)
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(...) I was wondering has anyone seen the rock raiders set 1276 in stores anywhere. I have not been able to find them in the stores here. I just thought that it would be a lot less costly to buy a bunch of 1276 than the whole minifig pack to get the (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.western)
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(...) They're in Japan, attached to candy. Alan (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.western)
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(...) I wanted to point out that the kepi is now available in brown now in the new Adventurers series. Cheapest set with it is the Research Glider (I think the set number is 5921). See this post for some info about it: (URL) Frank Filz ---...--- (...) (24 years ago, 18-May-00, to lugnet.western)
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