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| | | (...) <sarcasm> You call this thorough?! Where's the Super Star Destroyer? Where's the Death Star?!? Sheesh! </sarcasm> Thanks for doing the research! James (22 years ago, 16-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Jason Spears
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| | | | (...) Super Star Destroyer: 12,800 Meters Death Star 1: 120,000 Meters in Diameter Death Star 2: 160,000 Meters in Diameter -Jason (URL) (22 years ago, 16-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —David Koudys
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| | | | | (...) *one of top 5 TNG episodes--Relics Dave K p.s. whoever said the overlay of the Starship Enterprise and the Aircraft Carrier Enterprise was right--it was the original 1701, no bloody A, B, C, orrr D... I'll try looking thru my archives and see (...) (22 years ago, 16-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —James Wilson
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| | | | | | (...) I hope Scotty thanked the battery manufacturer. Energizer bunny? James (22 years ago, 16-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Brian Tobin
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| | | | (...) Jason, unfortunately you've used a reference for the Executor class Super Star Destroyer length which falls for the old "5 mile fallacy" or to be more precise, "8 mile fallacy" (no, nothing to do with the new Eminem movie). Every "official" (...) (22 years ago, 16-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —James Wilson
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| | | | | In lugnet.starwars, Brian Tobin writes: <major snippage> (...) ROTFLMAO!!! "Truth?" It's not called Science _Fiction_ for nothing!!!!! That said, there's way too much information there. James (22 years ago, 16-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Brian Tobin
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| | | | | | (...) True, but good science fiction has enough grounding in reality to make it believable and maintain continuity with itself. While Curtis Saxton takes this to an extreme, I find nothing wrong with using the best reference possible to ascertain (...) (22 years ago, 16-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —James Wilson
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| | | | | | (...) Fair enough, and I enjoy a good sci-fi tale as much as most geeks. I just get a big kick out of it when people start arguing about the size of the "real" prototype from a movie. Especially the ones that are completely CGI! Or cartoons - ever (...) (22 years ago, 16-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Brian Tobin
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| | | | | | (...) Yeah, James, I know what you mean! I didn't mean to come across as being so militant about this stuff. Believe it or not, I don't sit and obsess about SW scale and such, or spend lots of time researching it (heck, I've only made it through a (...) (22 years ago, 16-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Jeffrey M. Szklennik
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| | | | | | (...) Well, According to CANON Sources, Star Wars takes place ? A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away?; this PROVES it REALLY happened in OUR *gasp* universe! Also, Star Trek CANON TV shows reference our REAL history! IT?S ALL REAL, PEOPLE! So, (...) (22 years ago, 23-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Lucas Thompson
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| | | | | | Still waiting for the Eugenics Wars to happen ;) -Lucas Thompson (...) (22 years ago, 23-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —David Eaton
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| | | | | (...) That's what I really dislike about SWTC. He pulls some factoid that sounds right, and uses it as though it were fact. I first noticed that on his description of AT-AT stride length, but also on his AT-AT height description, and (IIRC) some of (...) (22 years ago, 16-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Jeff Jardine
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| | | | | | (...) Technically, you can guess that Endor's gravity is very close to that on Earth, but that doesn't mean the mass is the same unless you also assume their densities are the same. Jeff J (yummy nits to pick!) (22 years ago, 17-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —David Eaton
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| | | | | | (...) Well-- strictly speaking we know the *mass* is roughly the same. But you're right: we don't know the density of the planet, hence we can't *REALLY* guess at the planet's volume... And therefore you can't guarantee the curvature of the planet (...) (22 years ago, 18-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —William R. Ward
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| | | | | | (...) I think that the point is that if Endor has a very low density but the same gravity at the surface as Earth, then the mass and diameter are both much greater than Earth, because gravity goes by the distance between the center of mass of the (...) (22 years ago, 22-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Leonard Hoffman
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| | | | Another piece of evidence supporting this: given that the Star Destroyer and SuperStarDestroyer have at least similiar shaped bridges: if the bridges were the same size (which is a valid assumption), then the length is 17.6km. But if the (...) (22 years ago, 18-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Mike Petrucelli
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| | | | (...) The Super Star Destroyer and the regualar Star Destroyer have the same bridge. In Empire Strikes Back, Han attaches his ship to the back of a Star Destroyer Bridge. In Return of the Jedi, Han flies past the Super Star Destroyer Bridge. Not (...) (22 years ago, 18-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Allister McLaren
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| | | | | <delurk again... can't.... resist.... geekness...> So a SSD built to minifig scale (assuming the 1 stud = 1 foot convention, or 1:39) would be a smidge over 450m (1476 feet) long. I prefer a 4 studs to the meter (1:32) scale for minifigs, which (...) (22 years ago, 18-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Adrick Tolliver
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| | | | | The conclusions drawn by Dr. Saxton in his Technical Commentaries are false. The "true" (as true as any fictional ship can get) length of a Super Star Destroyer is either 12,800 meters as stated on SW.com's databanks, or the 8000 meter RPG length. (...) (22 years ago, 18-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Ahui Herrera
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| | | | | | | (...) You can NOT go based off what the SW.com database has. That is not offical! (Hear me out before you start screaming). Mr Lucas himself did NOT enter in the data into the DB. But Mr. Lucas himeself did supervise and create all the stuff for the (...) (22 years ago, 18-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Mike Petrucelli
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| | | | | | | (...) You are forgeting one very important thing here. Canon sources (the actual movie) overrule any and all offical sources. This is the stated policy of Lucasfilm, Paramount(Star Trek), and pretty much every major anything. In Empire Strikes Back (...) (22 years ago, 18-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —David Eaton
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| | | | | | (...) Some of them sure are :) (...) Yeah, unfortunately, the guage of "accurate" could be measured: #1 - Canon - anything taken DIRECTLY from the RELEASED movies. Even scripts or uncompleted scenes aren't canon. #2 - Official - anything lisenced by (...) (22 years ago, 18-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Mike Petrucelli
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| | | | | | | (...) The novels of the movies and the original radio dramas are also canon after the movie in that order. [snip] (...) You say it would be 137 feet tall like it isn't about that. Watch 'Empire' where luke "magna-grapling hooks" his way up to the (...) (22 years ago, 18-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | (...) Ah yes, I had forgotten those-- I wonder which order the two would be in themselves? IE would data in the novels be considered better than the radio dramas? I think I'd assume that to be the case. So: - Movies - Novels - Radio Dramas - (...) (22 years ago, 18-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Mike Petrucelli
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well the 'Official' order of canon is as follows: -Movies -Novels of Movies -Radio Dramas of Movies Not quite canon but overruling 'official' sources are: -Expansion Novels originally published by Bantam Books -Expansion Comics originally (...) (22 years ago, 18-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) What about "Chewbacca's Life Day" or whatever it was called? Or that Droids cartoon? And how about that Ewok made-for-tv movie? 8^) Actually, you're probably the guy to ask--I recall many many years ago reading something in which Luke was (...) (22 years ago, 18-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Mike Petrucelli
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Those two are Ignored. (...) That one might be 'official' as nothing in it blatantly contradicts any of the movies. (...) Sorry, no Idea where that one is from, it does sound familiar, like I have read it, but I can't place it. (...) -Mike (...) (22 years ago, 19-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Adrick Tolliver
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) The website database has been written by an author hired by LFL to write an official reference (the database) that has been published (also the database). Therefore, any information contained within that reference (the database) is as official (...) (22 years ago, 19-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Best site for SW vs ST calcs. (Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D?) —Mike Petrucelli
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| | | | | | | | | | Alright you are completely missing the point here. The order of canon is for resolving arguments (usually related specifically to technological arguments) within the continuity. Most of the 'crap' you mentioned is contradicted by the movies and is (...) (22 years ago, 19-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Thomas Garrison
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| | | | | | | | (...) Eh? Isn't _Splinter of the Mind's Eye_ in the official lists of books, as well as the other books originally published by Del Rey (Brian Daley's Han Solo novels, L. Neil Smith's (odd) Lando Calrissian novels, and all the books published since (...) (22 years ago, 18-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Mike Petrucelli
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| | | | | | | | (...) Ok its been a while since I read any of the books, (they really started going down hill and that is putting nicely,) so the newer Del Rey book are probablly official sources at the very least. Splinter of the Mind's Eye was rendered completly (...) (22 years ago, 19-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Brian Tobin
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| | | | | | (...) Dave, if they didn't design models with a specific scale intended, they wouldn't put figures in the cockpits! the X-wings, Y-wings, and TIE's from Ep. 4 were ALL BUILT to the same scale (1 to 24? I can't remember), and all had pilots of equal (...) (22 years ago, 19-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —David Eaton
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| | | | | | (...) Sorry, I was implying capital ships-- Fighters, etc, you definitely have a point with the figures. But for ships like ISD's, SSD, Mon Cal Cruisers, Rebel Transports, Blockade Runner, etc, I just can't imagine that the models were intentionally (...) (22 years ago, 20-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Adrick Tolliver
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| | | | | | (...) I don't think that *I'm* missing the point, actually. :) (...) There is no need to be rude; we're all friends here. I rather enjoyed Splinter of the Mind's Eye, and the Droids comics are hilarious. (...) Actually, Lucasfilm policy has been to (...) (22 years ago, 21-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Mike Petrucelli
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| | | | | | (...) Ok well, I wasn't trying to be rude, and I appologize if that is how my message was recieved. I certainly agree that there is plenty of entertainment value in 'ignored' sources. (...) the (...) a (...) Droids was not originally published by (...) (22 years ago, 21-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Adrick Tolliver
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| | | | | | Ok, I'm beginning to see the problem here. You seem to have quite a few misconceptions about the items in question. Let me see if I can clear them up for you. (...) The term "crap" tends to be more rude then polite. ;) :) (...) Ok, I think this is (...) (22 years ago, 21-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Mike Petrucelli
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| | | | | | (...) message (...) I see, yes, the word crap is often given a negative connotation. I guess I figured writing it as 'crap' would have indicated it was meant in a joking fashion. (...) therefore invalidating (...) Ah, I though the Dark Horse (...) (22 years ago, 22-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | Re: how large would the ISD be compared to the Enterprise-D? —Brian Tobin
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| | | | (...) Finally, another voice of reason! Thanks, Mike. I've been away from this argument since I first chimed in, and I am STUNNED that people STILL try to robotically spout the "company line" coming from offcial sources which simple repeat old (...) (22 years ago, 19-Oct-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.space)
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