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Re: Put-up or Shut-up
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Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:07:03 GMT
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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Calum Tsang wrote:
> In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Steve Hassenplug wrote:
> > But when half the robots at a contest can't perform the simple [sumo] task of
> > staying on the platform, well, I have to wonder how advanced the group really
> > is.
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> Steve, when you build successful robots for: Monkeybars, ProjectX and
> Blockstacking, then you can wonder. I would suggest you try them out on your
> own time as a personal challenge.
By successful, I assume you mean a robot that can complete the task. So, we can
scratch Blockstacking off the list right away.
> > So, is it better to do a good job at an easy task, or a marginal job at a harder
> > task?
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> A marginal job (and marginal doesn't apply to most of the folks in rtlToronto)
> at a harder task. The goal is the challenge. If the easy task has depth, then
> it's worth it to try it again and expand your horizons. But if it's the same
> damn crap over and over again (sumo, line following) then why bother?
You know, chess is really not all that complex. A half-dozen different pieces,
each with a very limited possible number of moves. Yet, many of the world's
greatest minds have taken on the challenge of playing. Repeatedly.
Why? Not because of the game, but because of the opponent. The challenge from
the person across the table.
That's what _I_ get out of a sumo event. For me, it's not about playing the
game. It's about planning for anything that can happen, before I know what's
going to happen. It's about building a robot that's both faster AND stronger
than any robot it will face. It's about doing what I do, better than anyone
else.
Every year thousands of people spend millions of dollars to compete in drag
racing. Duh, not that hard. Drive 1/4 mile in a straight line. I'm pretty
sure I could do that WITH MY EYES CLOSED! But I'm not sure I could do it at 350
mph. (560kph?)
There's a difference between doing something, and doing it well. I don't
approach LEGO challenges with an "rtlToronto" mindset. Please forgive me.
The rtl rules say "The general idea of an rtlToronto design competition is not
to win." hmm. A competition where you don't try to win.
Why keep score?
I actually have more to say, but I'm tired of talking about it right now.
Steve
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| (...) so we can have these lively debates about who's better. (...) Ok, we'll talk more tomorrow. Chris I'm off to some secret place, to view some secret stuff, that i cant talk about for another 6 months. (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
| | | Re: Put-up or Shut-up
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| (...) You must be under the impression that we actually care...Take a long rest...and maybe when you wake up you'll understand that line following is just line following. Name an rtlToronto contest with zero participants...I know...line following! (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
| | | Re: Put-up or Shut-up
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| (...) Well, you've got two more. (...) Yes, but you miss the part of "depth". Sure, chess is incredibly deep. There's strategy, history, even personality in chess. That's why only until now have we found software and hardware that can explore that (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| (...) Steve, when you build successful robots for: Monkeybars, ProjectX and Blockstacking, then you can wonder. I would suggest you try them out on your own time as a personal challenge. (...) A marginal job (and marginal doesn't apply to most of (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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