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(...) It's recommended. We didn't want to put in a hardset rule that said "be under three minutes exactly" but we did want to discourage someone who would take 29 minutes or whatever to execute one move. Obviously you're going to have to use your (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Steve, as much as I hate this: the rule is the rule. I personally don't want any more rule changes now. so the rule pages says 3 min. each player has up to 3 min. to move per turn. !!!!~BUT~!!!!! if two players agree ahead of time, ~!!and have the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) <rule quote> Timing ...The robot may use more or less time for any given move, however, it is recommended that the robot must complete a single move in a maximum of three minutes. </rule quote> Is there a three minute move time limit or is (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: attention Calum Tsang & Chris Magno (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) YES. you are the only one. even in the rules page it says that we all know ahead of time who is first or second, and, by extension, you (the human) have enough time to do what ever is needs to make your robot work. Chris (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) That's what I understood when I read your message at the root of this thread (repeated here for convenience): <paste> The robot will scan the board, see that there are no chips played, play its first move and pass turn. The second robot will (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: attention Calum Tsang & Chris Magno (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) Sorry. I think I understand your confusion now. I suggested the board scan because it means you don't have to have two entry points into you program, and you don't have to explicitly tell your robot whether it's playing first or second. This (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: attention Calum Tsang & Chris Magno (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) What the **c* are you talking about. I've suggested no such thing! Whether you will play first is decided well before you load your robot with chips. That has nothing to do with it. I'm merely suggesting how the robots should be told to start (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Tonight, I got together with some LEGO friends, and found out a couple interesting things. 1) There will be FOUR robots making the ten hour trip from Indiana to play Connect-Four in rtl 15. 2) More than one robot at rtl15 will be XR7 class robots. (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: attention Calum Tsang & Chris Magno (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) Ok, please thin out my skull a bit more... The loonie says I go first and I stack my robot with red chips. So why can't I just select program #2 (the "I go first program" and then press the magic Run button? Why do I have to wait for the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: attention Calum Tsang & Chris Magno (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) no you get it, mario is just a bit thick. mario, you listen, I'll talk: I take a canadian coin, (a loonie) (URL) it will be "tossed" someone will be declared first..... each player will be asked if they are ready. between the "call" and "yes (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Wouldn't the coin get tossed, the players selected, and then the bots get loaded with the appropriate colors? I don't get it, I think? (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Well it's time to open the can of worms. The rules state: "A coin toss by the robot designers decides which robot will start first. The person who moves first always starts with red game pieces. Each robot is required to be able to be started (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) If you use a remote you must be very careful you don't interfere with the opposing robot. If you both use the same signal to say play first, then there'll be a might crash. This is not C4 sumo. :-) (...) Actually I didn't say anything about (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) Yes, you can do this now. Since the turn pass touch sensor is exclusively yours, you can do whatever you like with this senor port. Including using another touch sensor if you so wish. Just remember if you screw up your own robot, you loose. (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Ouch! Stop yelling CALUM TSANG and CHRIS MAGNO, I have enough trouble listening to their names in a normal tone. For some reason I missed read the description of the game start the other day. My suggestion is not substantially different, but it's (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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!!! I SPEAK THUS !!! Dereks Idea is sound. and simple. BUT it does not have to BE the final way!!!!! WHEN you prg your RCX I don't care HOW you tell it if it is the first or second prg. WATCH and be AMAZED at my AWESOME POWERS!!! method 1. ---...--- (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) Derek's proposal changes what a click of your sensor means: It used to mean: Your opponent has played a chip... make your move. It is now proposed to mean: You opponent has played a chip *OR* this is a brand new game and you have been chosen (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that Derek's proposal doesn't seriously affect what the interface is, only how it's implemented in terms of the actual arbitrator. You still click a sensor to send the signal, and you still listen for a (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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This is on the verge of becoming yet another annoying "late breaking rule change". I personally don't care what I have to code in order to make my bot play nicely, but I DON'T want to have to re-code it at the 11th hour when there will certainly be (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I'd also like to suggest that you also put the state of the program in the LCD display. That way if you miss the sound, you can still note the state. I'm trying to help Chris with the move calculation of his robot in brickOS. There are only a (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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