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| | | (...) This is the part where I scream in horror and recoil violently. Adminning MS is bad enough, but MS databases... Are you _sure_ you want to go that way? (...) They probably haven't thought of it - I know of other university admins who get those (...) (25 years ago, 24-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | (...) I want to learn - period. We have more SQL Server implementations on campus than anything else, especially Oracle. So yes, given my present circumstances, I am sure I want to go this way. I could decide to start working towards some sort of (...) (25 years ago, 24-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | (...) That's one line of reasoning. Given the tales of woe I've been hearing from sysadmins all over the world, though, anyone with half a clue tries to move to unix adminning as soon as humanly possible. You've certainly got the necessary clues, so (...) (25 years ago, 25-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | (...) Maybe. I doubt I'll be doing Unix stuff at my current employer, though. Our main Unix systems seem to be held together with chewing gum, lots of hope, and a ton of money. I'm trying to learn what I can on my own, but there's only so much time (...) (25 years ago, 27-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | (...) How much of that money is for the "sysadmin's beer fund"? (...) Yeah, but single platform locations don't exist. Everyone wants on the 'net. Here's how a countryman of mine put it: (URL) you do, never touch Exchange. Or Lotus Bloats. Or any (...) (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) Let's be sure we're on the same page. If you're saying groupware itself is not a good thing, vehemently disagree. I'll be happy to briefly explain how indispensable it is if that is what you were saying. However, if you're saying that Exchange (...) (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | (...) Groupware is a nice idea. (...) It's just that I've never seen or heard of any implementation yet which, _especially_ in the area of email delivery (which is ridiuclously high-volume compared to almost all other groupware traffic), doesn't (...) (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) OK, whew. Got enough to debate you as it is... (...) Or just use news. Really! I've seen it done. (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | | | (...) By the way.. in one or two of your posts lately I thought I detected a certain.. how shall I put that.. annoyance at me personally as opposed with my arguments. Any comments? (...) For brainstorming sessions of more than, say, 3-4 people, it's (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Annoyance? naaa.... <ponder> Urp, no more than usual/no more than I am at anyone else? You're misguided, confused, idealistic and generally wrong when it comes to freedom, economics and markets, but I like you anyway in spite of all that. I (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | | | (...) Ah, that's OK then. (...) Awwwww... shucks. (...) I think it would probably be more suited in off-topic.people. But then, we can't really put it there. (...) You could call me ... "democrat" (Or, for that matter, "republican" or (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) Wouldn't surprise me. (...) Would surprise me. Samba blows. Sorry, but it does. Touching it with 95/98, which, unfortunately, is what a ton of places use, is a slow painful joke. Touching it with NT is slightly better, but still slow and (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | (...) The question is, how does it's blowiness relate to the negative-mass white hole that is NT SMB serving? Jasper (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) Well, not sure. But in *my* admittedly limited Linux/Samba experience trying to introduce Samba as an alternative to NT for file serving is a joke. File copies went from seconds to minutes on 95/98, and at increased dramatically even when (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | (...) No comment. (...) True, true. Not quite what I meant, thinking of single platform in-house, but I get what you're saying. (...) I've avoided Exchange because we don't use it anywhere I know of on campus and because I heard so many bad things (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | (...) Very wise. Are the elevators in your buildinmg controlled by the network? How about the halon systems? "After a few hours the thumping dies down. I guess those [backup tape - ed] safes really _are_ airtight." (...) Well, yes, I knew that's (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | (...) Yep. Kinda funny, though. I talked to my local MCSE buddy, the one who got most of his experience in his current job doing OJT, and he had lots of really good things to say about Exchange. 'Course, his implementations are all small-scale, so (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | (...) That helps. In small-scale, single-in-house-platform, beefy-server, in-house-24/7-admin-...luescreens environments, it's not too bad. Talk to a few of the people in ASR who deal on a daily basis with Ericsson's Sexchange servers, though. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | (...) ISP adminning? What do you mean? I don't work for an ISP. I don't know that you'd call the adminning I do corporate right now, though... (...) Contrary to popular opinion, I'm really a quiet guy. I read a lot of groups I never post in. But no, (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | (...) Well, not yet. I don't know that much about your plans for the future ;) (...) See email. One I'll mention right now is comp.risks. (...) Ouch. I mean, yes, nice machine, but $5.6k? In US prices, even. That would be around $7k if I wanted to (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | (...) Ok. So what do you mean by "completely different"? I'm curious as to what you see as the differences betweeen "ISP" adminning and "corporate" adminning. I've actually done ISP "helpdesk" stuff before (in fact my last job was managing an office (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | (...) Eep, yes. This is exactly what got me into Linux in the first place. My friend was trying to start an ISP running NT. They were having trouble, so since I'd done some work getting PPP to work on the ancient terminal server at the small college (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | (...) I don't know why but this reminds me of a guy I know via IRC who started up his own ISP literally in his own home using a Linux box and a handful of lines, providing service mainly to local teachers, with the initial goal being to simply pay (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | (...) Very similar to my situation, actually. My friend wanted to start an ISP so he could have net access after college and not have to pay for it. There was a time a few years ago when it was possible. 56K modems really raise the bar, though; it (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | (...) Well, there are generally _much_ more users per server, per admin, and per company. And they're all clients which have to be treated with respect. And there'more bandwidth involved. In general, though, the main difference is that as an ISP you (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | (...) Ah, ok. Well, aside from the fact that I treat all my clients/customers with respect, I agree. But I tried especially hard when I was in charge of the network support center for the students on campus and all our dial-up stuff. But even then, (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | (...) Oh, that usually is the case - but universities and corporate environments do tend to be more forgiving of late-night downtime than ISP, as far as I can tell. (...) You and everybody else in the business, apparently. (...) barney:~$ telnet (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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