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		Re: More throwbacks to Hitler...
(...) <snip> Funny you should mention one of the biggest 'reactionary measures' your country ever had as your example. WWII was going on well before Dec 1941, and yet the bombing of Pearl Harbour is the day that will 'live in infamy'. Not the (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Political PR and Other Newsbits
The Fog of War Talk (URL) "That's a good question, as to what constitutes victory," Rumsfeld replied. "Now, what is victory? I say that victory is persuading the American people and the rest of the world that this is not a quick matter that's going (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: More throwbacks to Hitler...
(...) Thanks for the info, I greatly appreciate it. (...) Hence my doubt regading this one: colony refers to settlement, or pure governance? I'll go with the first, in order to restrict the options. (...) You said nothing about independant nations (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out?
(...) As usual, John -- not too much information, have you? We wouldn't want to sully your political perspective with anything like facts or meaningful conjecture... Something like $80 - $100 million were spent on the Clinton Whitewater and "Oval (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out?
(...) It is -- thanks for recognizing that. Too bad some of the rest of you are so mentally challenged. (...) Where is the QUESTION? A declarative statement is not a question. You stated: "I believe that the perceived threat was never from the Iraqi (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Let's beat him with 700 clubs
(...) I definitely agree that people can listen to whatever they want (though it's a shame that Pat doesn't feel the same way). However, I question whether he (as head of the Christian Coalition (of the willing?) truly has no power. Within the last (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: A small rant...
(...) To reply (again...) From the Democratic Underground website (partisan, I know, but if the points are valid, who cares where the source is from?) " For some time, many on the Left have been using a working hypothesis about the invasion of Iraq. (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: With Saddam's sons dead, now we just need to bag dad (Baghdad get it?)
(...) They were bad. Do I celebrate anyone's death? No. Do I put "..seriously thought that the death of those two rat b***ards..." No. I think that justice would be served if the couple in St Kitts were put to death, but I would not celebrate it. (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: The War That Never Ends
(...) It is my understanding that the money for AQ is known to come from SA, it is not conjecture at this point (if it ever was). The question is: does the SA govt. condone or even know about this activity? Obviously, attacking SA is out of the (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: The War That Never Ends
(...) There is zero proof Iraq was harboring anyone plotting moves against the U.S. AQ, in particular, is supra-national. Cells may exist in as many as 60 countries including the U.S. Are we going to go after them all, John? (...) Freedom from being (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: The War That Never Ends
(...) (URL) AQ, in particular, is supra-national. Cells may exist in as many as 60 (...) Certainly some. And convince and assist the other countries to purge them by themselves. (...) Really? When were you summarily investigated and databased? (...) (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: The War That Never Ends
(...) Well, no, the Barbary Pirates were like cockroachs. They hung around for quite some time despite numerous people trying to wipe them out. Once the Pax Brittanica began they were finally surpressed (another parallel for your example with the (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: The War That Never Ends
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote (...) I will grant that the threat isn't demonstrable, except of course, the carnage perpetrated on 9-11. The problem is that the potential threat is so horrific that if it isn't pre-emptively (...) (21 years ago, 3-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: The War That Never Ends
Many thanks, Lar! That's the stuff. And I used to read some of that mag online too... Yeah, social engineering is a big gap in security -- and always will be, that's why it almost always works. My information belongs to me, and in the EU AND the (...) (21 years ago, 3-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: The War That Never Ends
(...) And very closely related to this story... US anti-war activists hit by secret airport ban (URL) After more than a year of complaints by some US anti-war activists that they were being unfairly targeted by airport security, Washington has (...) (21 years ago, 3-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		An Important Speech and Newsbits
'The President's Ideologically Narrow Agenda has Seriously Divided America...' (URL) edit: Why is the guy I didn't vote for suddenly nailing it? He should have been this interesting during his campaign. Anyway, it's a must read for an understanding (...) (21 years ago, 7-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
(...) Wow--I kinda had the feeling from reading this NG for a while that you & I might never agree on anything! :) I lean towards a national sales tax for several reasons: 1) Given 3 common economic behaviors, production (including reinvestment), (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
(...) That's pretty funny--I was snickering as soon as I hit the "rightwing (sic) forces controlling the Republican Party want TOTAL victory" part. Substitute left wing and Democrat and that statement's true too. Geez, what a revelation! I'm sure (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
(...) As are so-called "Democrats" who are as happy to obtain their way by judicial fiat that completely ignores democratic processes. For example, take controversial Proposition 187 in California: a clear expression of will by 59% of the voters (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
(...) Judicial fiat is how we have Bush as president if that's the way you want to look at it, so I'm not sure what you point is when you try to use an example of a proposition that was doomed legally from the word go. What, the judiciary should (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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