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		Re: My Gun Control Rant
I've held out of this one but must reiterate these points. (...) There are two main threads when arguing in favor of gun ownership. Tim is going down one thread: that there are legitimate reasons for owning guns besides the one for which they are (...) (24 years ago, 7-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: It IS about Taxation
(...) Can it not be argued that by participating in the monetary system deployed by a government (in accordance, in the US, with the Constitution) a tax is simply a "service charge" for using goverment property (money)? That is, if you don't want to (...) (24 years ago, 22-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations
(...) John, I simply can't accept that. (...) All evidence suggests that Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson and Eric Rudolph and all the rest would engage in murderous violence--and their followers would support them--if only they thought that they could (...) (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
(...) Do they not ask you each and every time there is an election in the US? Sure, I expect you were out-voted - but that is democracy for you! Did Gore and Bush not present pre-election spending plans to your nation? Will your elected (...) (24 years ago, 22-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Family values?
(...) This statement.... (...) And this statement... Conflict. So you're saying the NON-biological father SHOULD support the child, strictly from a legal marriage contract (that generally assumes fidelity), he should support them because he's been (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Family values?
(...) And what's much worse in this case is that one poor fellow is being forced to shoulder the responsibility for a child that is not his- and that the same courts give him no rights to see or have a hand in raising. That makes absolutely no sense (...) (24 years ago, 4-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Family values?
(...) Again, the spirit of the law versus the mere letter. Were we discussing his obligation to his wife's bad credit in some wierd scenario of marriage under false pretenses, for example, then she's up the proverbial creek without a paddle. But if (...) (24 years ago, 4-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations
(...) This is SO obvious-- we are engaged in an violent struggle (ie war) with radical Wahabi muslims. If the rest of Islam doesn't not stand up against these extremists, they are allowing THEM to define themselves (the rest of Islam) and their (...) (19 years ago, 13-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) So you're a James disiple--"faith without works" and all that? I'm pretty much there except I say "In the end, I believe that we'll be judged on what we did" and leave the beliefs out of it, (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations
(...) The temptation to equate intolerant Islam and the intolerant Christian Right is simply too great and self-servingly too delicious for the Left to resist. Don't fall into that blinkered, bigotted hole, Dave! I will grant to you that both sides (...) (19 years ago, 8-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Family values?
Note the one father did NOT want to disconnect from the child, he simply wanted the biological father to rightly shoulder the financial burden. That being said, I DO agree with something else in the article - if the "fathers" DO get out of support, (...) (24 years ago, 3-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Family values?
(...) It's kind of like being convicted of manslaughter and given 18 in prison, and upon being found not guilty, still having to serve the term. The woman is not punished for fraud. The real father does not carry the burden of his actions. AND the (...) (24 years ago, 3-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations
(...) Aww gee... (shuffles feet all embarassed like...) Dave K (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Population control -- was Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations
(...) No questions? Some have decided that (URL) post birth abortions> are fine. Again, I am not comfortable with someone deciding to abort a baby that is literally seconds from birth, much less X minutes after! It's almost beyond belief. So it (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations
(...) Would ther have been a response if there were anti-jewish cartoons published? More than likely. And the response would have happened when the cartoons came out back in September, instead of sitting on it whilst shipping danish flags to the (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations
(...) Sure Pat "I was for Ariel's stroke because he divided the Holy Land until I was against Ariel's stroke 'cause I couldn't have my Theme Park" Robertson has his followers, and has called for assassinations, and other such crap. However, his (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Population control -- was Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations
(...) See, I'm kinda with Dave! on this one--if it's a black and white issue--i.e. the second the sperm touches the egg it's LIFE! then there would be no issue. But people haven't been able to come to a consensus for, well, ever yet as to when life (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations
(...) And I agree with this assessment--calling for poisoning anyone is extremely bad taste--joking or no. (...) Oh that'd be the day... THere is a dichotomy between the 'Left' and the 'Right' with what they can get away with--the 'Right' could use (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations
(...) Good point, and it highlites an omission I made. What I meant to say is that accounting to God is our only hope of remaining humble throughout life. Yes, life can get us down, but we are usually able to rise up and forget all that those (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations
(...) Yup. Faith without works is like a day without a bicycle. Or is that a woman without a man is like a fish without sunshine.... Something like that:-) (...) That's fine and good, but there's one caveat, and Jesus addresses this issue DIRECTLY (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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