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(...) Do you think you or I can go to a gun store and buy an automatic weapon? Do you know why or why not? Do you understand what a semi-automatic weapon is? Do you know what kind of handguns and rifles you would leave us with if all "automatic and (...) (26 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mike Stanley wrote in message ... (...) A comment to add to this: A gun owner has total control over his weapon. A dog owner has incomplete . Either means of protection is subject to serious abuse by irresponsible owners. Of course a responsible (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is my hope, belief, and aim. Steve (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, I am very aware of the impact that this would have. That is my point. (...) weapons (...) a (...) useless (...) from (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This may be some common ground where we can all agree. Duane (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can agree with the thought. Never safe to assume that the losers who end up making up the regulations and nit-picky junk would actually create a program that would be effective. (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True. In which case, it would be time to change the legislation. But, I think training which is mostly ineffective is still better than no training. Maybe I've been watching too much TV (entirely likely), but I have these mental images of (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can only hope that anyone who holds a gun has the same feelings that I do. I have enough experience with guns (at least rifles and a few different types of handgun) that I am confident in my own abilities to use one if need be, but it still (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry to be the fly in the ointment, but not for me, thanks. I believe that requiring training is an infringement on the RKBA and specifically violates the second. If the government can require training, and they want to make guns improbably (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Debatable, I guess. The "training" that they require in TN, at least as administered here in Knox county, is laughable. The written test is practically answered question by question by the instructor. The firing test is about as hard as it (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi, I don't know if I am like a hair in the soup but I don't have time to read all previous postings in that thread. What I can see is that your debating gun control, in Canada if you want to buy a weapon you need a permit and succed a weapon (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<slrn7k3ois.1dt.cjc@...S.UTK.EDU> <FBy91u.K5w@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) You came late but your statement above is the crux of the debate. A lot of people do not buy this link, do (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What can change the opinions? I know that in discussions, I have changed my mind on stances, but I can't isolate the essential element of what convinced me - beyond inarguable logic. But why is it that with pretty similar backgrounds, we see (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <Snipped a bunch of stuff> Larry, you are correct in saying that very few opinions will be changed as a result of the debating that is currently raging withing this group. The reason that I debate (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) number (...) I feel happy to know another (1) american that is not "gun crazy". Some time poeple realy realy want to do or own wathever they want that they will find any excuse possible to validate their choice even if they now that they are (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<37421ED7.8F4BB887@voyager.net> <FBzGnp.L04@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Ya, me too. A debate is different than an argument! In formal debating the goal is to convince the bystanders, (...) (26 years ago, 20-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<37421ED7.8F4BB887@voyager.net> <FC01x0.2AH@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Who? I am not "gun crazy", whatever that means, but I own a handgun, am trained in its effective use(1), am (...) (26 years ago, 20-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Ho no! you do! :-( (...) (26 years ago, 20-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Redefine the fucking Second, then. Include the amount of training and how selective it can be. Just don't make it another driving license, for which virtually nobody ever fails.. Jasper (25 years ago, 28-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) IF you mean that the constitution should be amended so that the right to keep and bear arms is dependent on some very specific training, then I agree with your method of making that change (as opposed to just passing laws that violate the (...) (25 years ago, 28-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoops. Musta thought I was still in alt.peeves (where I am currently also involved in a gun-control thread that is, at last count, something on the order of 1000 messages and growing...). (...) Well, yeah. I mean, however much _anyone_ may or (...) (25 years ago, 30-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Wed, 19 May 1999 13:55:11 GMT, Christopher L. Weeks uttered the following profundities... (...) Because to some (not necessarily me, I am not stating my true beliefs until I have read all posts), gun ownership can restrict freedom. By which I (...) (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Wed, 19 May 1999 14:09:25 GMT, Duane Hess uttered the following profundities... (...) Was I challenging them? Wishing to understand them? Trolling you? (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, you were challenging me. Which is not a bad thing. In trying to understand my point of view you were asking questions which I may, or may not have had an answer for. For those questions that I had an answer for, I stated my answer. For (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<MPG.11bcd21f4c15bcb...ugnet.com> <FCnK1r.I33@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) This reminds me of the bone-head required English writing class that I had to take for my college degree in (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cool. (...) Now, if we look at the number of automobile-related deaths, I think adopting something similar for the US might be in order. Guns are really pretty safe, but cars are dangerous as hell. (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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