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| | | (...) Haha! I like that one! There is an essential truth to it. But once again, you are ascribing to Clinton what in truth many politicians are guilty of. Bush / \ Liberal Conservative That's the picture GWB gave at the start of the campaign. When (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) Well I clearly think that a 2d is better than a 1d whether closed form or open... whether more than 2 dimensions are needed is unclear. But libertarians introduced more dimensions precisely because we don't FIT on a 1D... we're not modern (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | Bruce; (Big sigh, and away we go!) (...) again, (...) Well, Clinton was the master of it, it was a Dick Morris idea, btw, and it worked beautifully for him (The era of big government is over. HA!!!...!!!) (...) I don't think so, BTW. Anyway: (...) (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Edward Sanburn writes: [snip] (...) I certainly wonder that. He was there only chance of winning the election. We'll be welcoming (or whatever) President Gore next year. Uggh. (...) Ummmm...not the McCain that I (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) ^^^^^ Ack! Really folks, that was supposed to be a their. I'm up past my bed time. Chris (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | (...) on (...) election. (...) I don't think so. We shall see. The polls still favor Bush, as far as I have seen. (...) Well, campaign finance is a HUGE one, for starters. I think the whols system is gfarbage, and putting the government in more (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | McCain etc. (was: Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) You're saying that campaign finance reform is a leftist topic? I don't think so. Gore isn't really reform-minded. In general no establishment politicians are going to be. If McCain truely is, then he's an exception. (...) Are you claiming that (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: McCain etc. (was: Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close) —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | Chris, (...) system (...) The one he is for, yes. (...) Wow, there is a surprise. (...) I disagree with Mccain on his campaign finance reform because it is the same line leftist have being saying for years. It hurts how the Republican National (...) (25 years ago, 4-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) "Compassionate conservative." When push came to shove, he ran as far right as he could and tried to declare McCain a liberal (I would hardly declare Clinton a liberal, much less McCain). (...) People are always trying to paint their opposition (...) (25 years ago, 4-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | Bruce (And all you McClain supporters out there), I am just wreathing at the Microsoft debacle, and now we go in on the McCain debacle. What is it? Is this not decided already? This sounds like a leftist whine fest. "Ah, gee whiz, he lost!" I have a (...) (25 years ago, 4-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | (...) The thing I really enjoy about .debate is watching all the tiny tantrums folks (myself included) post here. The laughs really clear my head and help me get a fresh perspective on the day. Thanks, Scott. I knew I could count on you. Cheers, - (...) (25 years ago, 4-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) What? You mean that they froze the market for a while? I tend to think that's a good thing. (...) That's me, Chris the Leftist! (...) Like what? (...) Well, you have to admit that a tax cut is the last thing this nation needs right now. (...) (25 years ago, 4-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | (...) I wasn't whining at all. I could not care less. He's a republican. Blah. (...) Bush has to do something to pretend he is a centrist, I wouldn't be surprised. It would be the smart move. (...) No. Not at the price of having Dubya select any (...) (25 years ago, 4-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | (...) Clinton's fairly liberal for a Republican. (...) Indeed. Chris (25 years ago, 4-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | (...) Clinton (...) Haha! And here I just said in another message that my wife views Clinton as a Republican! (okay, not really, but it's a measure of how much of a centrist he is). Bruce (...) (25 years ago, 4-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: Mostly agree, so snipped most of it... BUT... (...) I really really don't think I'm right-wing.... But I consider Clinton to be quite socialist-leaning, when you dig through the rhetoric and (...) (25 years ago, 4-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) Gosh, what will everyone think when a *real* liberal shows up? My wife thinks Clinton is a Republican. :-) Bruce (25 years ago, 4-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) What do 'real' liberals believe? As I think of it, at some point on the leftward scale you become a communist in favor of maximal wealth redistribution. Is wealth distribution the crucial factor in everyone else's mind, or is that just me? If (...) (25 years ago, 4-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) Ummmmm, you were supposed to laugh! Extreme right wingers excoriate Clinton for being this rabid liberal, but if you strung out all liberals in a line, you'd find him over on the right-hand side. The further south you go, the milder the (...) (25 years ago, 4-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) It looks like I failed to communicate. I understood your note. (...) Right. That's my perception too. (...) I know. Now what do real liberals believe? And more importantly, what is the single factor that most closely correlates with the (...) (25 years ago, 4-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) Ask 100 people and you'll get 100 different answers. I don't think you can boil it down to one convenient factor. (...) Civil liberties, racial equality, gun control, abortion, school prayer, censorship, business rights, unions, and on and on. (...) (25 years ago, 5-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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