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(...) I think I spoke too soon, and you are right, but my point was just that there are many kinds of Christians. Again though, I think you're right. (snipping here, sorry if I cut too much) (...) And that "whoever is not against you is for you" so (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, to this I would refer again to the scripture which says "A thousand years is but a day to the Lord." If this is literal, then God was truthful. No human after Adam has lived to be 1000, eh? =) Aaron (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No no no no no... :-, God basically told Adam and Eve, "eat of any of the fruit in the garden, except for the fruit of *that* tree over there, or you'll die, so don't even touch it" (i.e. eating the forbidden fruit made them mortal.) To which (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No no no. There was the tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life. They at from the first one, and were kicked out so that they wouldn't eat from the second one and become immortal. They weren't kicked out for becoming knowledgeable as we usually (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "ibid" is a bibliographical term that means, roughly "same book, but from this page instead". I don't know offhand the entymological background, but I bet Mirriam-Webster does... <hunt hunt> Yep. "ib" or "ibid" is an abbreviation of ibedum, (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Love your line of thought! I've never heard of this before but that's very reasonable... After all, God killed him after about a few minutes... ;-) -Shiri (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, hey, does this mean that there is some confusion or ambiguity as to whether or not Adam actually did die? Or is it known beyond the shadow of a doubt that he did actually _for sure_ die? Assuming it's not known absolutely for sure, have (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As cool as that would be (and you could just say it was a misprint, or that he was faking it or some other excuse to make that type of story), it is "known"(1) that he died. Eve on the other hand is not mentioned after Cain and Abel are born. (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yah, I forgot about that one in the heat of debate. So it was a combination punishment / preventative maintenance decision, then. (...) Wha--?! Whose side are you on? ;-) But I dunno; I still consider Satan's speech at least a half-lie, (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cain is said to have never died, being cursed to walk this world forever lest he enter the next. But I could just be remembering a terrible mini-series, I dunno... Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) stories (...) could (...) That is indeed in Genesis. It's been the source of any number of cheezy things, including much of White Wolf's back story for their Vampire:The Masquerade RPG. It also talks about Cain, after being sent away for (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Aaron is quite correct. Adam and Eve had the opportunity to live for ever in the Garden of Eden, as long as they adhere to a few simple rule. Not so unreasonable, as the Garden belonge to God. Much like were here in Lugnet on the condition (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wasn't Lillith mentioned in some other religious text, perhaps Babylonian or Phoenecian? Evidently, Adam's first wife was Lillith, who left due to interpersonal incompatabilities. Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the (...) Neat (...) YOu know, I don't like the idea of future generations getting their theology from role playing games. Markus (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...? Which role playing games? I'm sure the game company lawyers would *love* to argue that they had the idea first, but Lilith is a valid character from several ancient religious texts. I found the reference: Lilith is mentioned early on in (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because they were naked. It doesn't say that they were ashamed of what they did. They said that they hid because they were naked. If you think of it as they are equal with God now (that they know everything like Him), they still would have (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It never says "forever". It just says he'll be a fugitive and a vagabond (...James VagaBond) sorry. Also, it doesn't say there were only four people at this point. It says she gave birth to them two and then it says, "in the process of time" (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't know if it was mentioned in RELIGIOUS texts, but C.S. Lewis mentioned it in "The Lion, the witch & the wardrobe", which is definitely christianity- influenced... (Not to mention it's like a bible to me :) I love Narnia!) -Shiri (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) or (...) Okay, well that obviously isn't in the Royal Book. And it doesn't really make sense. Here, in the perfect Garden of Eden, where there's no sin, except for a serpent. I honestly know nothing of Lilith. It's not a good policy to drag in (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) or (...) Oooh, one more thing. I found in Psalm 93 where it says that God is clothed with majesty and strength. I know it's in a poetic format, but I betcha if you could see God, there'd be so much beauty and light surrounding Him (like Isaiah (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yep. Not only that, but he'll bear a mark on his forehead, the curse mark. (...) Actually, there are many other theories that say that even though Adam and Eve were the first couple, they weren't the only one. That God had later created other (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's, IMO, just to explain it so that there was no incest. I don't see why it couldn't be true though (as it is not mentioned either way in the Bible). As far as I'm concerned, if it's not mentioned, it didn't neccessarily happen or (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) brought (...) Abel (...) find (...) That was the point above about the 130 years, enough people could have existed at that point to have migrated to Nod and settled. 130 years is a long time. It's 135 years back to the civil war, to put that (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Eve (...) I don't think incest would have necessarily been an issue then, from a medical standpoint anyway. With a relatively "pure" gene pool, for example from 1st to 5th generations since Creation, incestual couplings would produce far fewer (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) to (...) Oh. I never said I believed in the story. I was just throwing in some extra comment to bounce around. No, I believe that Adam's first real family problems started with his children. Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Warning: this message is on-topic. (...) I think it is a safe guess that one of Jack's models for Narnia was the fantasy novel _Lilith_ by George MacDonald. It too is remotely based on that Jewish folktale about Adam's other wife. I forget which (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Warning: this message is on-topic. Bull-beggars? Heh heh. I quote more: "Reginald Scot mentions fairies (and nymphs) among bugbears used to frighten children: 'Our mothers' maids have so terrified us with bull-beggars*, spirits, witches, urchins, (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) FTR, I'm the one who mentioned the RPG. As an aside, that had nothing to do with my point, and certainly not as a source. If I wasn't so impervious, I'd be insulted that someone thought I was dim enough to do that. James (URL) catching up on (...) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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