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| | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Frank Filz
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| | | | | (...) If individuals and corporations are incapable of charity and community duty, then why do we have it currently? As far as I know, PEOPLE created our government. You don't seem to be preaching the "god" factor. Also, I see "deliberate, (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | (...) Stop thinking in absolutes. Incapable isn't the problem, it's that there's not enough of it. (...) Absolutes again. Show me that Libertopia is better, and I'll convert. Make it a practical example. Why don't all ya libertarians move to one (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | | | Jasper Janssen wrote in message <388a3894.72786960@l...et.com>... (...) In your opinion. (...) Not too long ago, you said you'd ruled it out. So, you are still willing to consider it? Glad to hear it. (...) Is there an empty state around? I guess (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | | | (...) Certainly I'm willing to consider it. I just don't think you'll be able to convince me. (...) When there are few of you, centralising yourselves and starting small certainly is easier than going for the big bucks right from the start. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | | | | Jasper Janssen wrote in message <38970e5b.389705315@...et.com>... (...) Oh, really?! (...) a (...) I'd like to see that happen. I am sure the Liberals (Socialists) of this country would love it, too... "Wow, those Libertarians in that state are (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yes. Really. "Going by past successes", that is called. (...) So what you are really saying is that you'd rather not do it because you're afraid it might not work. Well, your choice. (...) Thought you were talking about donors. Okay, (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | | | | | Pointless jabber... Jasper Janssen wrote in message <38acafe0.562152541@...et.com>... (...) It was a joke. (...) this (...) Why bother only changing a small community when its possible to change the world? Anyway, I am not afraid it won't work, and (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) That's not what he said at all. He's saying that others would victimize us if we did do that and made a success of it. And that's largely why it won't work in this country. The only way to be safe from the predations of others would be to turn (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | | | (...) So make it work despite opposition and predation. If it's so much better than the current situation, a measly 70% income tax shouldn't harm you at all. Jasper (25 years ago, 20-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) But in Libertopia, everyone who chose to work would have more money due to wildly less government waste. If we all have more money it will be easier to donate more. So maybe there would then be 'enough' charity. right? (...) Does Libertopia (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | Dave, (...) Tell me if this is wrong, but this discussion seems to imply that our current school system is completely neutral on things, which is not the case, based on what I know. Scott S. ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> ssanburn@cleanweb.net Systems (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | Scott: (...) If that's what I implied, it was unintentional. Actually, your argument about a liberal-leaning school (or any -leaning school) supports my concerns about a Libertopian school system, simply changing the flavor of the -leaning! Dave! (25 years ago, 13-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) Many people and corporations contribute to charities simply for the tax write-off. Beyond that, some people contribute, I have no doubt, because of a sense of spiritual duty or because it's proper to do--and that's laudable, certainly. Maybe (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) Two things. First off, how did the tax break get there in the first place? Second, the tax break just makes it cheaper to contribute to an approved charity, it doesn't improve the actual bottom line. (...) To be honest, I have yet to see any (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | Dave, (...) Well, that is why I favor the school choice (Vouchers, etc.) I think we should be able to have our children go to the school we deem best, not what the government thinks. I think school choice will be a big topic in the coming years. I (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Exclamation points —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | Scott: (...) Why yes! It's Dave-factorial! Actually, I don't know why I started, but I've been signing my name that way for about 12 years. Just something weird I came up with during my crazy teen years. And, as you speculated, it's a way to (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | Dave Schuler wrote in message ... (...) (and (...) middle-of-the- (...) to (...) view (...) Your a moderate what? (...) So (...) Good memory. And sadly, you (actually Jasper said this first) "aren't anywhere near ready for it" may be true. (...) me. (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John DiRienzo writes a lot of unhelpful nonsense ultimately decaying to a simple ad hominem, yet again. John, are you wholly unfamiliar with the conventions of interpersonal communication? You seem unable to mount an (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | | | Dave Schuler wrote in message ... (...) nonsense (...) you (...) Deal with your problems if you have any, too. I am dealing with my own as quickly as I can, and I don't mind you pointing them out to me (1) (well, sometimes!). To help me with my "sad (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) That's all anyone can ask, and I will likewise try to be more civil. Larry's done a great job of pointing out that my behavior has been less than exemplary, so I'm hardly able to cast the first stone. As a general suggestion (and Richard has (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) With the threading as broken as it is, this deep in a thread tree, it may be useful to quote enough of the post that you're replying to for us to find it. Or are you just ranting against John in general rather than at a specific post? I'd say (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) Did I break the threading by failing to quote the message? If so, then this break is obviously my fault. I guess I would say that I am ranting against John in general as well as at a specific post of his, but my initial message was in response (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Didn't say YOU broke it, merely that it is broken. "this deep in a thread tree" for various reasons, the reference lines being posted are truncated. Todd has a proposed fix to cnews that will compensate for (I think in most cases) other (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff --Time Out! —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) Mine was a face-value question--I wasn't saying that you accused me. (...) Why are you so hostile now, of all times, when I've admitted in two separate posts that you were right and I was wrong? Is it because I didn't like Bicentennial Man? (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff --Time Out! —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | They say it takes 20 minutes for the hormones caused by anger to fade and dissapate. That when you're in the middle of an emotional argument, it is better to go into seperate rooms, whatever, for 20 minutes until both parties become rational again; (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff —John DiRienzo
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| | | | Dave Schuler wrote in message ... (...) of (...) It seems that irony and sarcasm are often overlooked by the beholder, and I personally will be far more careful in their use. I refrained from pointing out the "do gooder" mentality that I also saw (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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