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| | | (...) So I'm asking with all seriousness and no veil of ulterior motive--what do we do? Justice must prevail, if we are to hold to our own ideals. How do we achieve justice in this situation? Dave K (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Why is it the job of the US to bring justice to the world? (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —David Koudys
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| | | | | (...) Well, my def'n of 'we' woudn't necessarily be "the US", for then it woudn't be we, as in me... but I digress... ;) I was thinking more along the lines of "if we (as in 'civilized society' whether it be the UN, or such other institution) see (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | This is outrageous (not what you think) was Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.. —Mike Petrucelli
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| | | | | | (...) You know I have been thinking about this since I posted my original messages. What do we do about it? I mean Afganistan is a poor example of how to "help." At the same time one must recognize that while Afgans are still living in sub-standard (...) (22 years ago, 15-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Why us? and if us, why this way? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) (URL) always agree with Hanson but he's right this time. Even if you think there's a moral obligation (that the US somehow has gotten stuck with ) to right every wrong (which I do not! I go ONLY as far as saying we ought to clean up the messes (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Why us? and if us, why this way? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | (...) It is all too easy to demonise France, China and Russia; but the reality is that most nations are against this folly. As far as I know, there are only two nations where the majority of the population support the looming war: the USA and (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Why us? and if us, why this way? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) As I've mentioned, I deplore this stupid, unjustified, pre-emptive, and distracting war. Having said that, my impression has been that France, China, and Russia are particularly demonized at least in part because they have presented themselves (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Why us? and if us, why this way? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | | (...) I read in a newspaper the other day that, according to a poll, 42% of the US population thought that the reason for the plans for war against Iraq, was that Iraq was allegely behind the 911 attacks on WTC and Pentagon. If the result from this (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Why us? and if us, why this way? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | (...) God only knows what the other 58% think! ;) Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Why us? and if us, why this way? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I've heard figures like that, and you're absolutely correct that the trend is worrying. Of similar concern is the tendency to group Saddam and al Qaeda together simply because they can be broadly categorized at "Arabs who hate the United (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Why us? and if us, why this way? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | Fredrik: As an american myself I can assure you that most americans are as dumb as hammers. And about as deft as hammers too in their handling of foreign affairs. I'll just basically quote myself from another thread here... Bush (and Blair) Flatly (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Why us? and if us, why this way? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | It just goes to show what happens to you when English is not the tongue of your parents' household... It was bugging me so I looked it up... It's supposed to be "dumb as a sack of hammers" or "dumb as a bag of hammers." Apparently, there is even (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Why us? and if us, why this way? —David Koudys
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| | | | | | (...) <snip> (...) Canada is in this list? This is why I disdain American political hacks (of course I distain Canadian political hacks as well... ;) ). I don't recall Canada ever 'begging' protection from the US. I don't recall Canada ever (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Why us? and if us, why this way? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Nor do I. Canada has been a staunch friend of the US far more often than not. (...) Here I think you may want to check your recollection better. Who mans the DEW? (...) I'd not be so dismissive so quickly. His arguments are sound, they're just (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Why us? and if us, why this way? —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | (...) Thanks Larry--my apologies for being abrupt. (...) DEW? Most times I love acronyms... (...) To this I agree--throwing our hats into the same ring as those who commit atrocities is the wrong thing to do. But here we sit in the 21st centruy, in (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Why us? and if us, why this way? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Distant Early Warning. The network of radar bases in Alaska and Canada's far north intended to give the earliest possible terrestrial warning of incoming transpolar missile attack targeted at either the US or Canada. Not the most critical (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Why us? and if us, why this way? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | (...) 100% agreement with those conclusions without regard as to how one reasons to get there. My one caveat would be that we must also keep the peace whilst backing away from these complicated international entanglements. America should be a benign (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) It is not, and since 12.09.02[1] there has been even less of a stomach for it. It is everyone’s "job" to bring justice to the world... at the micro and macro level. Invading Iraq is not "justice", nor is bribing other dictators in order to get (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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