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(...) I agree. How sad. Instead of choosing a book *worthy* of the award, let's choose a book that pushes our personal agenda. Merit really never entered into it. JOHN (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If by "personal agenda", you mean to encompass the nation... " Moore's triumph was boosted by a strong telephone vote from the public, who were invited to participate in the awards for the first time this year. Until now only those in the (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) With due respect, John, what book would you call "worthy" of the award? Have you read either of Moore's books, or have you only read what other conservatives have said about them? I've previously noted Moore's really unfortunate tendencies to (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have not read the book, but a friend of mine use to get his daily (weekly? whatever) e-mail message. Moore was quite a good writer. Much more coherent than say, a Rush Limbaugh. I'll have to get the book, now. :-) -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think this book is great! It's a good thing that it won. It will give it a publicity that will make it even more popular. Terry (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A good writer of fiction and propaganda, yes. And to be fair, that's all he claims to be. When pressed, he doesn't claim to tell truth. My issue with him is that he doesn't disclaim very well at all and the credulous are (perhaps deservedly (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, let's back up a moment. I am suspicious of anything such as a "book of the year" award, *especially* if it is open to a public vote. What the public likes is often quite silly and rarely serious. I would hope that a winner of such an (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just a housekeeping note here-- the words above are not mine, but -->Bruce's<--. JOHN (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. The indenting/nesting of citations is quite clear on that point but since I left none of your words I should have trimmed your tag away too. Sorry. (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) Truth to say, BPS pretty much matches the above description, imho. Dave K <snip> (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, that was a pretty good answer. So your complaint is a comment on the award process itself, rather than on which book received the award? I can accept that. (...) Maybe, but it's also useful to Know Thine Enemy! (...) Let's leave Franken (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I try...:-) (...) Yes. Reminds me of the People's Choice Awards. I am suspicious of those as well-- I am a believer in relying on the marketplace to define the success of many things. After all, a platinum record sold 1,000,000 (or whatever (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don’t think one is supposed to look at the text as a bible; it is more of a starting point for further reading. I expect most of those who voted read it because it told them what they wanted to hear; not to understand more about themselves (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) See, I think this paragraph very neatly spotlights the problem with the one dimensional labeling system in use (because it's simple?) left-right ... liberal-conservative To be fair you did not explicitly label Bruce and Dave! (1) But the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> er, forgot to include the footnote so here it is: 1 - Correct placement for Dave! My record on this is certainly among the top posters here... ++Lar (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, labels are restrictive and simplistic and I wouldn't necessarily hold anyone to a category. My analysis was chiefly based upon my observation that I am almost always in philosophical disagreement with these 2 guys on many issues, and I am (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol What makes you think that the onslaught of voters who cast their ballot actually *read* the book, or for that matter, knew how to read? >;^D (...) How common of you! JOHN (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the interest of full disclosure, I must admit that I haven't listened to him at all for several years, except for an occasional snippet while I'm driving. When I did listen, he played at least as fast-and-loose with facts as Moore does, and (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You make a fine point, though I should confess that I don't really mind being grouped that way. It's kind of like being thrown into the generic category of "animal" versus "vegetable" or "mineral." You're also correct that the range of (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think you also hold the record for most successful uses in a single post, though I can't find it right now. Dave! (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. There's more to it than that. I am saying it's a field (of two or more dimensions), not a spectrum (which is one dimensional). We have in the past discussed possible axes... Using such axes it's possible to more correctly describe areas of (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey buddy, *I'll* tell you what you're saying. And if my spectra have more dimensions than yours, pooh-pooh for you. So there! 8^) **snip of some good elucidation*** Dave! (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Typical Liberal! The State knows best and all that. :-) I'm a man, not a number! (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One of my fav. Simpsons eps is when they parodied "The Prisoner" No. 6 built this boat out of toothpicks 'n such, and Homer jumps in and takes it, leaving No 6 crying, "Not again!!!"... Then the bubble's chasing Homer and he pulls out this (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tank? What tank? There is no tank. (URL) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Well this puts a clear slant on the democratic process at large, doesn't it? I think it was mentioned a long time ago in o.t-d about how some people that vote really don't understand the issues they are voting for. Not to take an (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry I missed that one. Since the Prisoner is being brought up, why did 6 drive a 7? More importantly, could Larry fit into one? -->Bruce<-- I am not a number, I am a free man....oh, my Liberal Social Security number is 000-00-0006....as I (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) makeshift tank, or bin (I only saw the ep. once and that was so long ago I can't remember). Before the website, as posted above, was around, the euphimism for any show that has gone south was known as "jumping the shark tank" Of course, there (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) K, this is a question for those that actually are fans of "The Prisoner" A long time ago I woke up at like 2 a.m. and couldn't fall back to sleep so I turned on the telly and (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not a big fan, but here's a link that may be interesting: (URL) Dave! (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks! Combined with my 2 a.m. status, that show was really weird. Now I know it wasn't just me, it was the show itself ;) Dave K (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) The order of the episodes is apparently the subject of much debate, they apparently were shown in the order they were completed (as the series was much behind schedule, over budget etc) rather than an order that makes "sense". "Fallout", the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It helps a lot! Thanks. Reading thru the first couple episode synopsis hearkened me back to the day when I could debate Star Trek eps. with the best of 'em--wow that's alotta info! Camera positions and all! These types of things always bring (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) Just in case you're flipping thru the channels and come across a Simpsons ep--here's the brief overview of this particular ep (iirc) Homer starts his own website but is getting no (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The truth is by this point in the show, Patrick MacGoohan was writing and directing it himself, and thats when it started to go a little .. shall we say odd. Being a fan of the program I have to say the straightdope article is a littile harsh, (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) If there were 17 eps, I've seen half the series. CityTV ran the series a few years back, and I watched when I wasn't so tired (12 a.m. to 1 a.m.) It was just that particular 2 a.m. ep that left me wondering what was going on. My overall (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Hey! When did you stop travelling incommunicado? Maggie C. (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) That's what happens to ex spies, I understand. (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Ah well you can't travel incommunicado whn you are just a number (and I reformatted my machine and havent set up my sig files yet :) ) James ---insert quote here--- "Maggie Cambron" <mcambron@pacbell.net> wrote in message (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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