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(...) Haha! I like that one! There is an essential truth to it. But once again, you are ascribing to Clinton what in truth many politicians are guilty of. Bush / \ Liberal Conservative That's the picture GWB gave at the start of the campaign. When (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) there (...) Key West is one of my favorite places on the planet. And that distinction is due to the Conchs of Key West, who admittedly, have stayed in a permanent 60s frame of mind. Key West also has one of the lowest crime rates in the world. (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, that's it. And, while I'm not ashamed of my choices, perhaps proud is a bit over-reaching of a statement when applied to them. Since when, however, have I been known to be modest? ++Lar (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I hope you guys don't mind me butting in... (...) That's true. But, when you look at these limitations of freedom there's sort of a first glance and then deeper impacts. If you tell parents what school their child must/may go to, it is first a (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right, I meant beyond that. ;-) (...) Glad, I'd buy, but proud just seems a bit off (not that you're not allowed). (...) I guess I can see all that, but it sounds like you're proud of being well-adjusted rather than proud of being (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I go there at least once a month, and I love it there, too (...) Wasn't intended to be. You might consider it a poor choice of words, but I was simply saying that it is a place where homosexuals choose to party. I was typing fast (for me (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I defy you to separate the two - one impacts the other. (...) Ask yourself the question, where would the human race be if we were all homosexual? We would be extinct. Besides, there is more that is self destructive in that lifestyle than just (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm of course proud of just about everything to do with myself(1), and in this case I'm happy that my preferences seem clear cut to me, and therefore I'm proud of the fact that I did't waste a lot of emotional energy on the issue. There's no (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Unsurprisingly, I agree with Larry. Liberals are trying to limit different freedoms than conservatives. I think that any time a citizen is coerced into some action by a body of governance (or by an individual, it amounts to the same thing) (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you're rich because gas runs about 1.5 times the price of the rest of the country. (...) If you're rich, because hotel rooms cost about four times the price in the rest of the country. (...) Oh wait, you are. ;-) I'm only bitter because (...) (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Oh, and by the way, Key West has got to be one of the most wonderful places on the entire face of the planet, because people there (at least while they are there, anyway) are so very very open, friendly and tolerant. I love going there and I wish I (...) (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're not clearly distinguishing betweeen personal and economic freedom, so you fall into the one dimensional trap. (...) No I'm not. Take the quiz. (...) 2 points. a) no they're not I vehemently dispute that homosexuality is in and of itself (...) (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: "Ka-snip" (...) (freedom). (...) I profoundly disagree. It is liberals who are anti-freedom. Liberals are the ones trying to tax and regulate anything that moves. You are confusing freedom and (...) (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ?? freedom, victimless crimes, markets as levelers and wealth creators? these are all classical liberal ideas. Again, the point of that spectrum is that current left liberals are OK on personal freedom (factoring out minor PCness) but lousy on (...) (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) need (...) I have taken the quiz before, interesting diamond shape. However, (no offense to Libertarians or to Larry) it reminds me of triangulation, in which Clinton seemed to try to position himself. He was above either the right or left: (...) (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not by libertarians, it's not. We reject the one dimensional spectrum. You need at least two. See the quiz at www.lp.org, for example. (...) Again, not enough dimensions in use to be accurate. ++Lar (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi, (...) It's not really a matter of right/left seeing it that way, but of "old-school/new-school" and how polarized a particular speaker is. Of course, a lot of the "new school" people are deconstructionists and think that trying to diagram (...) (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) history (...) Both the far right and left merge under totalitarianism. I came to this conclusion independently many years ago, so it seems to be fairly self-evident once you get into it. My experience is that conservatives are the ones who see (...) (25 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Lindsay, (...) time. (...) I went (...) council in (...) shot by (...) that (...) with (...) like (...) Hmm... well, I guess my political philosophy is definately right / conservative (Which, in actuality, classic liberal) / Budding Libertarian. My (...) (25 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Everyone has different reasons for embracing a given philosophy--a fellow I went to college with (actually, he was a Lib candidate for Ypsilanti city council in the early 1990s) apparently switched from Dem to Lib to Rep (after being shot by a (...) (25 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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