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  Re: A question for my Canadian pals
 
(...) At what point do you put your libertarian ideals aside? I mean you do pay taxes, and those taxes are used for infrastructure and for protection. Some of your tax money goes to roads, most of which you will never use, but that's okay, 'cause (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: A question for my Canadian pals
 
(...) "getting help"? Do you mean having someone other than yourself pay for things that are routine(1)? Isn't that just rent seeking because you don't want to pay and think you can stick someone else with it? What are we really talking about here? (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Bush and Kerry: BOTH wrong for America
 
An interesting essay I just stumbled across. (URL) makes the case that while the candidates clearly possess contrasting leadership styles, both styles are insufficient to meet the leadership challenges we are likely to face. The rest of the site (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: A question for my Canadian pals
 
(...) Sure, but today my access to certain procedures is limited by my income and my insurance, so I don't know that it's any better in practice. (...) Well, then we're back to the brain surgeon vs. hole-digger, aren't we? (...) Yeah, I'm not sure (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: A question for my Canadian pals
 
(...) It would depend on which procedures, right? This columnist is no doubt biased and has chosen a nice sounding factoid from a friendly source: (URL) Fraser Institute points out that patients in that country (which is still held up as a model for (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: A question for my Canadian pals
 
(...) That's kind of how the knucklehead had characterized it. In my view, it's a question of most-widespread benefit. If 90% of the population has access to good health care, then that's great, even if access to certain procedures is limited. On (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: A question for my Canadian pals
 
(...) I'm not sure our health care system is communist but its free*. A long wait for an MRI is not uncommon. This is due to the lack of facilities. Several private clinics have opened where you can have one done but you have to pay big bucks. (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: A question for my Canadian pals
 
(...) Moc! Moc! Moc!! Bottom line is that people don't have to wait 'months' for an MRI. The naysayers always dredge up the worst case scenarios. Personal friends who have had to get an MRI have had few days, and had to wait a week once to get an (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Can it really be true?
 
(...) Typical European over-simplification of a complex issue. Sure, the "breeding ground" is one benefit, but you're forgetting the huge oil and reconstruction contracts. Cheney has to secure his yearly, non-conflict-of-interest salary, after all. (...) (20 years ago, 5-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Can it really be true?
 
(URL) Rumsfeld questions Saddam-Bin Laden link>: "To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two". Can it really be true? Next he'll be saying that Saddam posed no threat and that 1,000's have died to establish a huge (...) (20 years ago, 5-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Driver humiliated by Texas judge
 
(...) OK. You can believe that if you wish. Let me just say this one thing - Moosehead. (...) Depends how far you have to drive. A (20 years ago, 5-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Driver humiliated by Texas judge
 
(...) Psh. Guiness Extra Stout is the only beer really worth drinking. -- Tom Stangl *(URL) Visual FAQ home *(URL) Visual FAQ Home (20 years ago, 5-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Driver humiliated by Texas judge
 
(...) Well (URL) these guys> ship great Aussie beer to your door almost anywhere in the world. ROSCO (20 years ago, 5-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Driver humiliated by Texas judge
 
(...) Everyone knows that Canadian beer puts all others to shame... ;) Dave K -who just wanted to pad his post count... (20 years ago, 4-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Driver humiliated by Texas judge
 
(...) You're from the UK right? Point conceded. A (20 years ago, 4-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  X Prize has been won? ( was Re: Some good news for a change, maybe?
 
Looks like SpaceShipOne did it, just barely (not yet validated) (URL) a bit behind last I checked) and (URL) (this may change but it's up to date now) (20 years ago, 4-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Driver humiliated by Texas judge
 
(...) 'Em's fightin words! -Tim (who needs to make a point to try some Australian beer) (20 years ago, 4-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  A friend at the FAA? (Re: Some good news for a change, maybe?
 
When in LMF(1) mode I tend to scorn all governmental types, especially those at regulatory agencies. But in my more rational/pragmatic moments I realise there *are* gradations, and some regulators *are* better than others. Here is an example of (...) (20 years ago, 4-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Driver humiliated by Texas judge
 
(...) Huh! That's Australian beer for you! Scott A (20 years ago, 4-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Who looked like the bigger idiot?
 
I should be unkind and say: "Who cares?"... but to me, it was totally a walkaway... Bush looked baffled and confused far too much of the time and won the 'bigger idiot' contest hands down. I don't usually hold much stock in media post mortems but I (...) (20 years ago, 1-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Who looked like the bigger idiot?
 
I suppose I could have been nicer and said, "Who won the debate?" Bush looked like a bad impression of Chevy Chase when he was making faces while Kerry was talking. I couldn't figure out if he was annoyed with Kerry, somewhat drunk, or was suffering (...) (20 years ago, 1-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Maybe I've been wrong about this Antonin Scalia fellow
 
Honestly, don't we all need to relieve a little (URL) social tension> now and again? Presumably sodomy still would not be allowed. Dave! (20 years ago, 1-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Driver humiliated by Texas judge
 
(...) Australia has had random breath testing for many years now. The officers set up beside the road and randomly stop drivers going past. They don't generally inspect the car, so unless they see something obviously illegal, you'll probably be ok, (...) (20 years ago, 1-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Driver humiliated by Texas judge
 
(...) Was this in New Rome, OH? (2 URLs) (former) very existence of New Rome is, in my view, a very telling argument against allowing police to stop people without probable cause. (20 years ago, 30-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Driver humiliated by Texas judge
 
(...) At least in the US, there's plenty of reasons officers already have to stop drivers. Years ago, my family was stopped once for having a misaligned headlight that just so happened to be pointing in the officer's eye as he was sitting opposite (...) (20 years ago, 30-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Driver humiliated by Texas judge
 
(...) For me, what random testing means is that the fuzz can stop drivers without reason. This is important, as drunk-drivers often drive quite well in normal traffic if they are aware of their situation and are on familiar roads… they never pass (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Bigelow to offer new prize? ( was Re: Some good news for a change, maybe?
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: (snip) This was announced monday but I didn't notice it till today on space.com (URL) Bigelow is apparently to offer a 50M USD prize for a reusable orbital vehicle capable of docking with a (...) (20 years ago, 29-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: It's only natural (Was Re: Why these news groups were created
 
(...) Well the only musical reference that comes to mind is the song "It's Only Natural" by Crowded House. Did they have an album of that name too? ROSCO FUT: .o-t.fun (20 years ago, 29-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
 
  Re: Lavender Brick Society
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Still doesn't change the fact that I don't have a car. I recalllll.... Central Park in fallllll..... Dave K -not one lesson! (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Lavender Brick Society
 
It's just too tempting. (...) Nah. They probably think of you as a narrow-minded, bigoted, right-wing, Bible-thumping homophobe because: 1) You seem adamant that everyone who argued against your point is wrong, and is also a hatemonger, solely on (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Virgin Galactic (was Re: Some good news for a change, maybe?
 
(...) Well you could try his webpage: (URL) I didn't read as much naysayer out of that as you did. It seems to me like a realistic assessment of the situation. However I suspect the writing context of the article is sloppy. I'm pretty sure some of (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  It's only natural (Was Re: Why these news groups were created
 
(...) A problem for the other side, I guess, but yes, a problem. I know what the organic crowd is trying to get at, they'd rather not see manufactured banana flavourings in their milkshakes for example, and I know what the "homosexuality isn't (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Why these news groups were created
 
(...) This is sort of how I feel. Of course it does seem to make unnatural a less useful term. Even supernatural is a difficult term, though it's use to separate God from God's creation (assuming you accept the existence of a creator god, or a (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why these news groups were created
 
(...) I've approached Jefferson several times with sure-fire business propositions, but he never returns my calls. Something about "entangling alliances." Dave! (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Why these news groups were created
 
(...) I may be misunderstanding you, but are you identifying the lack of a point of distinction (between natural and unnatural or natural and artificial) as the problem? I'm not clear on this objection, I'm afraid. (...) Yeah, I guess it's a matter (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Why these news groups were created
 
(...) You're citing Jefferson? You consider him "good company"? I'll have to remember that. :-) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Why these news groups were created
 
(...) **snip** (...) Here's a sweetheart of a quote that I can believe I forgot to mention: "I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Creator Set has 500 extra pieces in dazzling colors...
 
In lugnet.general, Kevin Salm wrote: (snip) (...) Note that some people get confused by a FUT to a group without the original post appearing there. It is considered good practice by them and by others to post the original post to the group you set (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
 
  Re: Why these news groups were created
 
(...) I think your definition makes a lot of sense but the problem is that it doesn't give a distinguishing metric. (I've used that to great advantage when arguing against those that argue against "artificial flavours" for example). That said, what (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Why these news groups were created
 
(...) The term has invested with the connotation that I don't think it should have, honestly. In practice, the word tends to mean "altered by human intervention," but this definition is valid only if we declare that humans are not part of nature, or (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)


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