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(...) I know I’m not John but I think these are good points. Doing thing for the benefit of your own country are fair enough providing you don’t care what other people (countries) think and you don’t try to present them as being for the good of the (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well said John. Just keep waving your little flag. This is what I don't understand: Q1. How is supporting human rights abuses in Israel and Saudi Arabia in your collective self interest if the end result (indirect or otherwise) is 911 and (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) For starters: He lied to Parliament and took my country into a war that it did not want. (...) Are you saying Londoners did not share his view? (...) What don't you understand? (...) That the "War on Terror" is the only way to progress. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Indeed; Europe (Cyprus?) was within range of one of the missle systems SH did not have. Scott A (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Remember the Axis of Evil? [may offend]
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(...) Ahem. Now listen, I do not watch television (1), and certainly not network news, much less Fox (I don't even have cable). But I'd say this about Fox: at least they admit that they are biased towards the right. The big three and CNN (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) c /mine/Lar's/ and we're in agreement. (...) That's precisely what I'm driving at! (...) Perhaps currently they are noisier yes and more annoying, but more controlling? Besides that runs counter to my argument, discourse apparent control (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmm. That's a good point, except for the meta-fact that all arguments inconsistent with mine are summarily fallacious. (...) Interesting. I'd submit that "betterness" can be assessed in terms of which group is more effective at implementing (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not sure I agree that it's fact. Putting aside the false one dimensionality that you use to measure with, that is. I would assert that the Fox/Limbaugh/Moral Majority axis has gotten better at articulating their views in the media of late (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The bigger 'dirty little secret' is "Hey! The Euro's hate us anyway so who cares about their opinion where 'world events ' are concered even though the Europeans live closer to Iraq than do Americans... and hey! What about (not that I haven't (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) //Irony on// (URL) devil can cite scripture to his purpose.> //Irony off// (...) Perhaps, but the dirtier little secret is that Europe's antipathy is not and has not always been groundless. Dave! (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I would suggest that, based on anything visible in the past few elections, it's hard to say that the population is moving to the Right. The 2000 election (with very high turnout) showed a Centrist tend with a split straight down the middle (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What is your implication? That he isn't a "good man"? Are you so partisan that you can't even give credit where it is due? (...) His complete lack of civility. I don't care if he believes Bush is the Devil (which he probably does BTW); he is a (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Beyond the current political issues, do we agree on the base axiom that there is a 'pendulum motion' in the course of events--in the physical world, we could look to nature, in which, when the rabbit population increases, the 'predators of (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I would analyze the "swing to the right" in the US a little differently. We have been moving very left in about all ways for the past decade, and now that things are heading back to the right, the Left is crying about the departure. We are (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: snip (...) That Mike P--he's got lotsa stuff worth coveting! I think, for most aspects of life, there is this 'pendulum motion'Dark ages to 'enlightnement', from '50's nuclear family to '60's 'free (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ...Mike's wealth needed redistributing... it's the socialist way ;) Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hey, let's be fair. You were (URL) into Mike P's house at the time! Dave! (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote: <snip> (...) Well, I was called a 'liberal Canadian who loves West Wing' once in this very group. I wouldn't count myself a Canadian Liberal, however--I'd never vote for JC or any of his cronies--I (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I expect liking Bush is like onanism(1); a lot of people do it, but very few ever admit to it. ;) Seriously, it is my feeling that this group has drifted to the left slightly over the last couple of years. Does anyone agree? Scott A (Yes, I do (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In what sense? (...) In what sense? (...) He has power, but no athourity. He lost the argument a long time time ago, and ever since has relied on "might-makes-right". MLK Jr: "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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