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(...) What if the belief system itself is flawed? As I understand it, to be a good muslim, one has to follow sharia (religious law). Sharia is used as civil law in many countries and in many others, it's being pushed as something that SHOULD be used (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm seeing that the term "Enlightenment" was probably too loaded a word for the idea I wished to convey. What I meant by it was an intellectual passing into the 20th Century. By most accounts I have read, it is generally agreed that Islam is (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, say we compared it to the percentage of extremist Christians for example. I don't know what that number is, but judging from reported Christian terrorist attacks I'd say that it is pretty low. Even if the percentage of extremist Muslims (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) France has long had a difficult relationship with Arab countries due to its colonialism in North Africa (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia come to mind). That reverse migration has happened only seems appropriate: the link worked both ways. There has (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It might be useful to have a clear, legitimate tally of extremists relative to the whole sample population. We can't use the US media or Arab-state-run media, since both of these sources are tainted. There are over a billion Muslims in the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thank you. But really, I haven't a problem with Islam per se. There are many peaceful Muslims. What I *do* have a problem with are extremist Muslims who tend to comprise a shockingly high percentage of the Muslim population, and the seemingly (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All right. Why don't we use the term "bigot" then? (...) If you're going to use the term "enlightenment" as litmus test to determine whether a group is worthy of respect, then you need to throw out groups that work to foster pseudoscience in (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh, I thought that they were silently disagreeing with me. But so what if they do? You don't seem to care about what others think of your views. Are you suggesting that I keep quiet because the majority happen to think differently than I do? (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, let's put away the racist card already. Islam is a *religion*. Followers of Islam are *Muslims*. "Arab" is a race term, not "Muslim", okay? (...) Sorry I wasn't clear in my meaning: "Enlightenment" A philosophical movement of the 18th (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pot, kettle. You are probably the most uncivil individual in this NG. JOHN (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah! There it is! The proven fact that you are a racist. What? You think your religion is enlightened? Can you tell us which religions have passed the JohnNeal test of Enlightenment? Please, show the world the greatness of your prejudices! (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And it looks like British Parliament agrees with me... ---...--- "Prove Iraqi guilt, MPs tell Blair" (URL) by the turn of the year there is no WMD then the basis on which this was executed was illegal," he said. MPs are also starting to ask (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who are you to tell me this? I'm only telling one stupid person that posts racist and hateful stuff here on Lugnet that what he posts is stupid. If you endore his attitude, if you endorse what he says, it should be you who should be warned (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, the bitterness didn't escape me. And I never claimed to ascribe to his view-- I just, as I said in my one word review, found it "interesting". How many feel the same as he? Is it a growing sentiment? I have no idea. I frankly didn't even (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In countless ways you have lost this right, Lar. You rarely listen to anything anyone else may have to say about anything. And that fact has been amply shown in this forum. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh? He is not? I suppose you are smarter than him? Because, as far as I know, Mr. Robbins is a respected person in Holywood precisely because he is a very intelligent and smart person. If you can threat people because of what they say, then (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll repeat, I suggest you stop baiting people. If you (and others, some of whom have already been warned about it, and recently, too) continue to do so, you continue to make off-topic.debate a much less pleasant place. And that's as much "my (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And they do. Don't you realize that MANY people are against your point of views? Don't you get the fact that your hatred and racism is not approved by most of people here? The only person I recall insulting in my whole Lugnet life is you. You (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So? Even if Europe was to become 90% Muslim, what would it change? You state an article that prones violence and racism against a country, someone asks why, you say it's because there are a lot of Muslims... This would be called racism by most (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me re-phrase that... I consider Canada as our political adversaries, so I tend to agree with anything that gives an advantage to Québec Over Canada. I don't wish bad stuff will happen to Canada, as one could have understand from the first (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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