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(...) I think he's much less dangerous than people like you, John. Because Richard, while often extremely annoying, is more interested in everyone's freedom from oppression. You, however, are one of the most oppressive people in this forum, and if (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My over-simplification of the anti-war movement
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(...) BuzzFlash asks Greg Palast: "What the Heck is Going on With Tony Blair?" (URL) Tony has figured out a way to shoot down a couple of enemies at once. All politics is local, including international relations. Tony Blair is using the war on (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I actually do agree with you on a few points here. I agree that Bush’s diplomacy was imperfect. I, however, believe the other side. I think he spent far too much time in debate and discussion. I have little patience for diplomatic posturing and (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bush's justifications for this war changed almost weekly, it seemed. Now, within the terms of diplomacy, this can be understandable to a point as you may find it advantagous to emphasize different aspects to different people, but it seems more (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I don’t have the chance to respond with the same level of frequency here on OTD as many of the regulars, so this may sound like a hit and run, as I will voice my opinion and probably not respond to rebuttals in a timely fashion. I, however, desired (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um hello? "Before" what? 9-11, all the embassy bombings, WTC bombing #1....? (...) Peace?!?! You are the one single-mindedly attacking people for having differing views from you! (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Evidence? Who needs evidence?
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"Special Search Operations Yield No Banned Weapons" (URL) the final word of course, but it doesn't speak well of american intelligence sources. Sure is great to mount a war on nothing more than suspicion and impatience. -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Newspeak 2003
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"Iraqi ultralights spotted over U.S. troops" (URL) Gen. Victor E. “Gene” Renuart Jr., director of operations for Central Command, was quick to label the bombing as an act of terrorism. “That kind of an activity is a symbol of an organization that is (...) (22 years ago, 30-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | My Concession (for John mostly)
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The 'Coalition of the willing' is *trying* to 'fight the good fight'--*trying* to stay on the moral high ground. SH, et al, have no such compunction. My point has always been that we don't always follow our ideals when they're "inconvenient". SH, as (...) (22 years ago, 30-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Newsbit: Something I Hadn't Noticed About Patriot Act II
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"Justice Dept. Drafts Sweeping Expansion of Anti- Terrorism Act" (URL) 501, “Expatriation of Terrorists”: This provision, the drafters say, would establish that an American citizen could be expatriated “if, with the intent to relinquish his (...) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Advisors of Influence: Nine Members of the Defense Policy Board Have Ties to Defense Contractors" (URL) How elected officials and registered lobbyists apportion your money. This would be why we must fear the military industrial complex (perhaps our (...) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Frog Apologizes and Shuts Up (at least for now)
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(...) Whether any particular person has thick enough skin to not allow rudeness to effect his emotional state doesn't change the rudeness. Richard is traditionally much more clever in his responses to people than he has been in the past weeks when (...) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I see no reason why the people of Iraq shouldn't wage war if they feel it's warranted. Even on the US, UK and Australia if they see them as a potential threat sometime in the future. ROSCO (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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But without the war part, right Rosco? -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) to justify war against Saddam - a "nightmare scenario" in which he might eventually pass weapons of mass destruction to terrorists." Now go back and read my last link. ROSCO (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sounds fair to me. ROSCO (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"First Stop, Iraq" (URL) Saddam. We're taking him out." Those were the words of President George W. Bush, who had poked his head into the office of National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. It was March 2002, and Rice was meeting with three U.S. (...) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Conspiracy Theorists Regroup!
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(URL) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your bigotry betrays you... (...) Because of their *own* self-interest. They don't give a rat's patootie about the Iraqi people. What say we let the people of Iraq decide their own destiny. (...) Or we liberate them, and create a valuable ally (...) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Rats Leaving the Sinking Ship (Re: Just Teasing...)
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(...) From the same article: "I found his resignation shocking," said one official closely involved in the domestic fight on terror. "And it might reflect a certain frustration over the allocation of resources. But I'm not positive that there's a (...) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe I'm thicker skinned than most. If we're all adults here, and we behave in an adult fashion in these discussions... I dunno. I never got the 'ignore him 'cause he's no good to this group.' I find that many many posts from Scott Arthur are (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey! You promised not to tell... -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
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(...) I don't think I would have been that harsh. After Larry's last post, I had decided to drop it as well, because neither of us are going to move, so why pursue the thread? As it stands, I respectfully object to Larry's assertion that we can (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You forgot: [X] Biliousness [X] Superfluidity [X] Paraesthesia [X] Vibrato [X] Hysteresis [X] Wanderlustfulness [X] Indivisibility [X] Thirst [X] Inelasticity [X] A Persistent Redness [X] Frumiousness Dave! (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The Frog's list of sins: [X] ad hominem attacks [X] provocations into 'flame war' [X] rudeness [X] gloating [X] put-downs [X] condescension [X] sly remarks [X] insults [X] sarcasm [X] un-helpful, selfish behavior [X] excessive 'noise' Just remember (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
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(...) Now *that's* an under-rated album! Dave! (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What a shock! Larry fails to explain the impossible. His basic assertion as I see it: an organization predicated on keeping the peace is broken when the U.S. cannot dictate to it a U.S. focused agenda from on high. In other words, when the (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | J.C. in Iraq (or baiting the republican troll)
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'Poised and Ready' The evangelist who called Islam 'wicked' is ready to bring humanitarian aid to Muslims in Iraq. (URL) Hooper, from the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said evangelical groups bent on converting Muslims often go into (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Wayne McCaul" <wmccaul@NOSPAMattbi.com> wrote in message (...) neat (...) Agreed, it is one of the best, I read a recent re-release (part of a "science fiction classics" series. Is this the ones where they have battle suits that cause large (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<snip> You've missed the point. I give up. (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Wayne McCaul writes: <snip> (...) ACC's short story about an officer chasing a runaway on an asteroid--brilliant. THe runaway is running around on the asteroid, and the officer is in a space ship--Clark goes into how the (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
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(...) News Flash--nothing is perfect. Not to bring religion into it, but we live in a fallen world. Beyond the religions scope, Democracy is the 'lesser of all evils". Heck, you and I don't even live in a pure democratic society, and basically used (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...as a %age of GDP? (...) The UN is about bringing nations together; that cannot be achieved by excluding developing countries. (...) Sure, lets rank them by 1. "least countries bombed since 1945". 2. "least times the veto was used" 3. (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Man, I *love* that soundtrack. It was sort of a gateway for me to other ambient-techno stuff. I have the book, but I put it down about a third of the way through it and can't remember what I did with it. Maybe I should try to dig it up - (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I like hw you extoll the tenants of democracy except where you think it'll work against you. You have *no* faith in your fellow man--if there are all these counties, with equal voice, you think that if a vote came up--"Should Iraq disarm" that (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This subthread got a start when someone said "if you don't like it (that you inherited a contract), vote with your feet". Perfectly valid statement. What I was trying to point out was that it is not a perfect solution. Life isn't perfect, of (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK... one person one vote... that was a proposed metric too. In that case, the US gets what, 10 times the votes that Canada does? And India gets 5 times again since it's 5 times bigger than the US (I didn't look the exact figures up, you get (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) But here's where you're missing the point, Larry--If we use your very own rationale, I'd say that Canada should have 5 votes to your 1, because we're so much better than you--we have (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is pretty much amazing how this little war has united (most of) the Arab nations in complete and total protest against it. If I were a betting man, I'd say there are probably folks from Saudi Arabia fighting on SH's side--But wait! Aren't the (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for trying to clear this up. Use potential, use probability, whatever you like... what I was trying to convey was the likeliehood that a system of government will be able to continue to deliver (1) higher quality of life, higher (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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