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(...) <snip> (...) k, 2 things we agree on Dave K (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes: <snip for later... so many things for later... there isn;t enuf time in the day!> (...) On this we totally agree! This is another thing I get into with my SO--she went to that quiet little rally in (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does Bush want diplomacy to work? Scott A (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Shrub. Hmm. To you have "thickets" in the US? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I could have guessed this. That's just SO wrong! The campaign slogan of Shrub's post-Iraq opponent for the presidency: "One more such victory and we are lost." When you figure out who said it and why it was said a divine light will descend (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And what was Afghanistan? Will invading Iraq be any more decisive? ROSCO (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are spot on, Mike! Terrorists fear strength and feed on weakness, not the other way around. God, why is this concept so friggin' hard to understand?? People say "if we attack Iraq, we will be bringing more terrorist attacks upon (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) imperialism. (...) And that right there is everything that is wrong with US foreign policy. We can easily do the right thing (not just in Iraq but everywhere) and don't. No one, not even the politicians who want the war, (and by coincidence (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Yeah, that war in Iraq is going to be about as useful as the "War on Drugs"... (URL) guess it's not the case that Shrub Jr. is just attempting the big oil grab for himself and his buddies and making Joe and Jane Sixpack foot the bill of the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What the heck are you talking about? Unlike World War 2 we (any "Western" country) do not carpet bomb cities anymore. The big Tomahawk cruise missles are accurate to within half a meter, let alone the smaller missles. Civilian casualties would (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes: <snip> (...) What's even sicker is equating wanting a peaceful solution to the Iraqi situation to doing nothing at all. War will kill Iraqi people. "Easily free them"? What? from their lives on (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What's really sick is that so many people think it is perfectly acceptable to let millions of Iraqi people suffer, in fear of their lives, under a brutal dictatorship, when we could easily free them. (URL) Petrucelli (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Wow, thanks for the explanation. I'm anxiously looking forward to the next batch of Bible stories! :-) Stéphane S. (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The Rev. Brendan Powell Smith wrote in message ... (...) story -- (...) with (...) beliefs. I'm curious - how does Jewish theology interpret these bible stories? Are there major differences between their interpretations and Christian (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Saudi Arabia and Kuwait come to mind readily. (...) "Desert Storm" did not happen in a vacuum. (...) He doesn't care about the US, except that we got in the way of his last oil grab (but helped the previous attempt). I have seen no compelling (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is the def'n of many many national leaders--heck, I'd throw my leader, JC in there just to poke fun at him--he's unopposed, he's a nut ;), and Canada has... well, not too many WoMD ;)... What gives you Yanks the right to tell some other (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Since Dubya has been claiming that this will stabilize the region and reduce the threat of terrorism, then the burden of proof is 100% on Dubya to demonstrate that unilateral invasion of an Arab state will NOT result in a rise in terrorism (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Dubya is singularly incompetent. He is trashing American influence for no good reason, destroying whatever trust we had with Middle-Eastern countries," What influence? As far as i know, we never had much influence over any of those countries... (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I wear pink to boot! Well... no, not really. Though when pastels were fashionable on men (a la 'Miami Vice'), I did own a pink shirt. That was also about the same time when my white jean jacket was accidentally washed with my sisters pink (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's because you're an anti-war, left-wing nutcase. And a Canadian, to boot. 8^) Dave! (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) People here have a way of saying things so much better than myself. So there you are. Nicely said, Bruce. Dave K (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dubya's daddy was a weasel when it came to supporting foreign dictatorships. He was against all the communist dictatorships being overthown in eastern europe (because he feared the anarchy that he supposed would follow) and then amusingly (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) K, first I'm Canadian. I may have issues with the moronic policies of your appointed leader, but I couldn't give a flying fig as to who your leader is--if he does right, I don't care. (...) I never *ever* said otherwise--SH lied, He has (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Be careful of using a non-representative sample to ridicule the whole, or as a basis for undermining the soundness of the argument. If certain, shall we say, unusual forms of protest have occurred, that hardly discredits the thinking of the (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) This I did not know--thanks. (rest for later... :) ) Dave K (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "The anti-war crowd *for the most part* are radical fruitcakes"?? Okay. Those 100,000+ people marcning in Toronto that I was with--were most of them radical fruitcakes? Were half of them radicak fruitcakes? Were 10 percent of them radical (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please tally all protests and render the percentage of those that took place naked. And what's wrong with pink? I mean, other than I won't be seen in it? :-) You seem to be taking the cheap-shot demonizing route in trying to belittle a (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) er, "bald-faced" liar.. Saddam's lies aren't all that bold... h (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. It is time for all of the anti-war crowd that are "sitting on the fence" because there isn't enough "evidence" or are waiting for a "smoking gun" to come clean. They are (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) After all the other spineless concessions... (...) Didn't listen to us at the end of the first world war, and look what came about? Oh, and what country in particular lead the way in not listening to us? StOOpidity. (...) You supported the (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To Scott: That's *nuthin'!* You should see what the *other* side is doing! The Anti-war crowd for the most part are radical fruitcakes. I mean, feminists protesting *naked*???? <shudder> Wearing *pink* to protest? It's all entertainment to the (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I never really understood *beer*, and the whole mentality with it. People love their beer. My SO loves dark beer from Europe, can't stand American beer... My friend won't drink anything besides Molson Canadian... When I was so much younger (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are we talking about the same thing? He marched into Poland, He was on some sort of 'expansionist kick' and the 'eliminating all but the 'Supreme race'. Of course we stood up to that. I wouldn't necessarily call that stOOpid. The war with (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It was something of a rhetorical question: I can find beers from all over the world in California; Germany, Phillipines, Japan, Mexico, Canada, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Holland, and on and on. None from France (that I know of). But I'd (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I'd say Joe Steel was fighting *for* tyranny. (...) The rest of the world starts a stupid war (excuse me, *stOOpid*, can't emphasize that enough) and has us bail 'em out, and resents it? That chip on yer shoulder big enough? ;-) (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: One other thing... (...) This has also been credited to Schwarzkopf, but according to www.snopes.com the correct attribution is Jed Babbin (URL) Dave! (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And that in 1940 the xenophobic US weren't in the war at all whilst the Allies were fighting and dieing for freedom against tyranny, the US didn't get into it until the end of '41, but they'll take all the credit for winning the war... History (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yep the 1930's equivalent of "star wars" was an expensive dud... [parts of it were moved to the "Atlantic Wall" IRC]. (...) French resistance: The fig leaf that covers the truth. (...) Is it not the other way around: "didn't the fledgling USA (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, yes, there is a large variety of beers produced in France. I suppose that Belgian beer is generally more famous, especially the Trappist Beer, brewed in monasteries (Orval, Leffe, Chimay, ...), but you also find similar beer tradition in (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sounds like they need to learn their history. IIRC, the French Army won the Battle of Verdun, under the heaviest shelling and most hideous battlefield conditions in history. Call that what you will, but cowardly it is not. The Germans won in 1940 (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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