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Mike Stanley wrote: ???!! I never said anything about burning, literary or no. What I said was that there are people who would *choose* to not be with God (my definition of Heaven) because they *hate* the light and love the darkness. It is *their* (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you're saying that you believe that people will literally burn for all eternity in Hell? That God, in his infinite wisdom, knowledge, love, and compassion, could actually allow that to happen? Why? What possible point could there be for (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There should be enough people that I can stand on top of a bunch of them, and clear the surface. Steve (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. Good question. I think the answer is, "nothing in the Bible addresses this point". But to talk about it anyway: it's not enough to ask for forgiveness. It's a condition for salvation, but not main cause of salvation. The real reason (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's a story. Didn't really happen. It is, however, a fascinating insight into the development of the Jewish concept of God. An immature belief in God assumes that the good in this world would get rewarded, and the bad punished. That's fair, (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That story has always bugged me too. I don't really see how some people see it as one that makes God look good. Satan basically ego-trips him into letting him royally dump on Job, and God, who is supposed to be so loving of his creation, let's (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mike Stanley wrote:But COME ON, eternal damnation? I'm supposed to believe that an (...) Think of it this way, Mike. God isn't the one doing the damning. There are people who hate the light and love darkness. Even faced with God in His glory, *they (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I assume you're joking. If not, I'm not so sure Greek mythology was "believable" but it sure is more fun. Purely Roman mythology, the stuff that they didn't just rename/incorporate from the Greeks, can be interesting too. (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks. I appreciate your recognising it as such. Really. (...) Whereas the alternative is to say you have no faith in them? How very elitist of you. Next I suppose you'll be telling me that government can make better decisions about my life (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wasn't Job the guy that God bet the Devil about how unshakable his faith was? I'll have no truck with a god that would do such a thing as allow another deity to throw his worst at me just to settle a bet. (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mike Stanley wrote in message ... (...) it. (...) I agree about the "painting", Mike. At least Greek and Roman mythology were "believable". -- Have fun! John AUCTION Page (More soon!) (URL) Page (URL) wp,dm,rk,df++ fk-]++++(6035) SW,TR,old(456)+++ (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A LOT of Christians don't believe Hell is just the absence of God (eternal lonliness maybe, or do you mean annihilation?) - they literally believe it is a real lake of fire into which all the bad people will be thrown, to burn and be tortured (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, what if Satan just suddenly gave up? Admitted he was a jerk and wrong, and honestly (how could you hide it from God?) asked for forgiveness? Or was his original crime, way back when, so bad that he's too far gone? Or is he the pefectly (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmmmm.... my sigs have evolved over time. They started out being the main sure-fire way someone could find out the number to S@H and the web address of the specials page. I wouldn't call that wasteful junk. Now they point people to one of two (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What, no winkies? I hope you're kidding, because you sound like the Church Fathers in the first millenium discussing how many angels can fit on the head of a pin. A lot of nonsense. In my experience, there is no personified Devil, only the (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:37bb87d1.204022...net.com... (...) things (...) there (...) end (...) Isn't that Faust? Interestingly, every time that play resurfaced in a new era it had a different ending. There's the (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've kind of always wondered: Is this mainly applicable for when bad things happen to good people? Or is He also there for someone who has done something really really bad? I mean, like, say someone makes a pact with the Devil. (I saw this in (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message news:37B9F885.8F93F0...ger.net... (...) What a very Libertarian statement. It exudes great faith in the masses. I can't say I'd agree, given the popularity of, well, just about every fad ever to (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mike Stanley <cjc@NOSPAMnewsguy.com> wrote in message news:slrn7rmim9.4dt....UTK.EDU... (...) Ideally the worst times are the times that gloify Him the most, as it gives you a chance to display your faith in Him aven though life sucks (think Job). (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Interesting quote. If the Lord puts me in whatever situations he wants, so he'll receive the praise/glory/worship/whatever when things turn out well, what does that say about the situations I end up in from time to time when all Hell (no pun (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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