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(...) Dan, I'm all for how you handled that. 100%. But don't delude yourself. What you did settled your internal justicemeter. It tought the thug nothing about respect for animals. The best it could have possibly done was taught him that some people (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Nope, I don't do the converting thing. If someone doesn't agree with me on a topic, it doesn't disturb me in the least. However, I do enjoy being challenged, wheather I challenge myself, or find myself challenged by another force (people, (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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i'm rather devided on the "want to believe" concept... ...the kid in me certainly thinks it a great idea to have aliens visiting Earth and leaving advanced technology... ...however, the realist in me doesn't think it would be such a hot idea to have (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, sure! And that's a perfectly valid reason in and of itself, wasn't challenging that. Just wondering if you had something deeper in mind with the question, is all. (Some convertor used this question as an opener to try to convince me of (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Could the moon landings have been faked, of course. However, I believe they happened and seriously doubt there was a conspiracy regarding the matter. We know the rockets went up and we have the first hand accounts of the astronauts who rode them. (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) why not? aren't they debatable? (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why ask about conspiracy theories? (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) Ummm...why what? (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the mechanism being used so far (undercover employees reporting what they see) seems to be working fine for identifying problems. I am satisfied that this problem exists, just not as of yet clear on how endemic it is, nor clear that my (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Beyond a shadow? I dunno. A shadow of doubt doesn't take much to support it. Beyond a reasonable doubt though, yes. (...) I share a trait with Dave! (see, got his name to be last in the sentence) I too will get into debates with people for no (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Is there anyone here who does not believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that men have indeed walked on the moon? I have spent some time in thought on this "conspiracy", and have decided, that I could never convince a skeptic that men have walked on the (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thank you Dan for providing the PETA link. Although the pictures and information on the site did not serve to change my cravings for beef products, it did serve to offer me a central source of information on the subject of animal cruelty and meat (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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the recent "debate" on animal rights/cruelty is "off-topic". The thread that this debate happens to be in, was originally about sexism in the work place. since someone kindly suggested to another that the "animal" debate should remain "on-topic", I (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I followed the PETA link that Dan provided. It was the first time I have ever been to the site and found it rather easy to navigate. Out of curiosity I even read an article specifically about animal abuse in rodeo. The article offered about a dozen (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It happened when I was 16 years old. I was living in Michigan at the time and in the summer I made a trip to visit my family in California. Since my friends helped me get the pool running that summer, my mother agreed to let them swim there (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I understand the motivation too, I think (who can be *sure* they understand the motivation of others?). But I cannot condone force initiation. We must exhaust the rule of law first before we get that extreme. I share your concern about farming (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
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(...) How do you mean 'only' Frank? I mean, you could just type an email to your senator and figure that you've done your part. That would be an alternative action. But it wouldn't do anything. You could picket in front of the place. That would be (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was trying to figure out how to say that, but I got hung up on how to actually do what you're suggesting Dan do. What about it? How would Dan, or I, substantiate claims of gross cruelty through negligence and intent? (...) Agreed. But do (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think there's a real difference between burning down a supposedly empty building (the reports I've read weren't "empty" buildings, and destroyed not just the potentially abusive research, but also research which did not use animals) and (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would assert that if you wish any success in encouraging people to change their views on the way animals are treated in this country that the onus is upon you to substantiate your claims. If the rest of us think that things are basically OK, (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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