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Subject:	Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:05:48 GMT
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Daniel Jassim wrote: > > to find information that supports > > your assertions, but the onus is on you to back them up, not on me to do > > your homework for you. > > No problem, just do your own homework to prove my assertions invalid. Fair > enough? Aren't you the one who could "easily dig up factoids" in a "factoid > war"? Here's a good opportunity to put your talents to work. I say this to > the same man who gave the Intifadah as an example of how the PLO was worse > than the Israeli government. I would assert that if you wish any success in encouraging people to change their views on the way animals are treated in this country that the onus is upon you to substantiate your claims. If the rest of us think that things are basically OK, what reason do we have to explore them? I can not investigate the background of every product I use. I suspect some are produced unethically, and a few are produced with extreme care, and most are basically OK, perhaps an ethical slip here or there, perhaps the impacts not fully researched. It's also interesting to me that PETA promotes use of synthetic materials over natural (I did dig around a bit and was reading through some of the ingredients in products which come from animals, and their alternatives - I forget exactly where it was). In many ways, I'm more concerned about the effects of using synthetic, especially petroleum based, materials than totally eliminating use of animal products. One also wonders how many animals were used in research to prove these synthetics safe. -- Frank Filz ----------------------------- Work: mailto:ffilz@us.ibm.com (business only please) Home: mailto:ffilz@mindspring.com

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		Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) I was trying to figure out how to say that, but I got hung up on how to actually do what you're suggesting Dan do. What about it? How would Dan, or I, substantiate claims of gross cruelty through negligence and intent? (...) Agreed. But do (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) For the love of heaven, must we start a new thread as to define what a fact is? How about diatribe? Were there not enough facts given at these sites? The answers to your questions are often not right in front of you. Seek well and learn well. (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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