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(...) paypal transaction, and unfortunately one went very similar. 4 months after I received payment for a Bricklink order, Paypal yanked the funds back. They claimed that the buyer has possibly used fraudulaent funds. I had shipped to the confirmed (...) (21 years ago, 3-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) Sounds like the 'seller protection' program is really a 'paypall profit protection program.' (21 years ago, 3-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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In lugnet.market.services, Paul Janssen wrote: (URL) Mark, sad, but there is truth to these stories. Hey, I never said *none* were true - I even said that they do freeze some accounts for protection from fraud..... (...) And there ya go - straight (...) (21 years ago, 3-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) You apparently don't understand either the situation I'm reporting or the one Paul found himself in. Have you ever tried to dispute a credit card charge or do you have a store where you accept PayPal as payment? (...) The specific details are (...) (21 years ago, 3-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) The police helps you get the info you need to get the money back from the person that got the goods, buy PP in very incooperative, unlike the police. (...) I did ship, and the buyer received! The buyer left me positive feedback. I was even 1 (...) (21 years ago, 3-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) My guess as to what happened here is something like this: the Buyer on that transaction most likely stole someone's credit card number and/or identity, set up a PayPal account under false pretenses, bought a bunch of stuff, and then took off (...) (21 years ago, 3-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, FTX)
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(...) I think it is VERY likely that is what happened to the seller in this case - I'll post a confirmation if and when I get it. The main issue then becomes accepting PayPal (or other services?) payment by credit card. If a criminal uses a stolen (...) (21 years ago, 3-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) Where did you get that info from? If a charge is reversed the money is taken from the seller and returned to the buyer. What you are claiming is exactly what I pointed out as an easy way to fraud and double your money. It just does not work (...) (21 years ago, 3-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services)
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(...) Yes to both. I have had funds returned to me that I did not spend. I also run a BL shop and sell on Ebay. I also take CC's for subscrptions on a non-lego, non-paypal site. I understand how this works *very* well. My point was is if something (...) (21 years ago, 3-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, FTX)
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(...) Mark is correct. I did e-commerce setup for a software company a few years back and had to deal with all the credit card banking things. If you accept Visa or any other credit card, you must have a bank account with a certain amount in it so (...) (21 years ago, 3-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services)
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(...) If that's the case then why would VISA complain about credit card theft and say that's one of the reasons their interest rates are so high? More to the point, what is the 1.75??% fee for then? (And why is the PayPal fee 3% - even higher than (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services)
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(...) The seller who had the money taken from his bank account confirmed that " The buyer is not claiming 'No Delivery'. The buyer is under investigation for possible fraud. " and that " PP does not dispute that I indeed delivered the items. " and (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) Hi Steve: I think that part of the problem is that we're basically forced to discuss your second-hand report by an anonymous individual regarding an undisclosed transaction with an anonymous third-party, none of which we can verify with any (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) I am not understanding what you think is wrong here. The buyer was a fraud - he used a stolen card or something right? So what makes you think even for a second the seller would be able to keep the stolen money that he was paid with? Read this (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services)
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I think originally they stated the shipment was too a 'confirmed address' I think, which means that in theory PayPal did the funky confirmation that you get the bill for a credit card, which kinda defeats most easy fraud, or am I mistaken? (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services)
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(...) If you want to know who gets what on the fees check out this article (URL) just look at the PDF flow chart. The PDF file (who gets what when you use plastic) is located on the right hand side of the article under "Special Package". Most of (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services)
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(...) I believe, but am not sure, that Paypal is more like a processor than a merchant. Or if not, they are somehow closely connected to a processor or bank. I carry a Paypal branded MasterCard debit card. Paypal rebates 1.5 % of all spending (when (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) The Paypal Visa credit card is issued by Providian National Bank. Lower rates can be had by getting a basic Providian credit card, however. ____ (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services)
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(...) The assumption is that since paypal said there is fraud involved that there is. This is not wise. It plays into paypal's attempt to pass the blame for the failings of their bogus verification scheme off on their customers. I know because it (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, FTX)
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(...) True enough; While I have no reason to doubt him, I do have only his word. To be fair, his Email was, I think, written when the wounds were still fresh as it were, and also written just to me, not as a public post. In addition, he sells (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services)
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(...) It's not a matter of whether or not people believe that PayPal took back $7G from this guy, I certainly believe that it could happen. But the guy is taking it as a personal attack by PayPal and acting as if they plan to just keep his money. (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jun-03, to lugnet.market.services)
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