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| | | We at Lugnet have, IMO, been far too critical of TLG. The opening page says that Lugnet "has been called `the friendliest place on the internet". Not to TLG. Perhaps new sets don't look as good, but many, if not most, lugnites buy sets for the (...) (24 years ago, 23-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.space) !
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| | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | "Mike Cormier" <jcormier@stfx.ca> wrote in message news:G98BDD.92q@lugnet.com... (...) But (...) I agree that we've been far too critical of TLC as a group. But, I disagree on SPUDs being any sort of 'solution.' When I chilled at Erik Olson's place (...) (24 years ago, 23-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Jonathan Mizner
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| | | | | | | Completely correct. I think this sums up the sentiments and ideas of the last several years quite nicely. Now if only Lego will listen. Then again, it DOES take time for large companies to change. Maybe they are re-structuring in that direction (...) (24 years ago, 24-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Mike Cormier
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| | | | | | | (...) news:G98BDD.92q@lugnet.com... (...) buy (...) deserve. (...) audience. (...) are (...) on (...) that (...) is (...) so (...) too (...) le (...) whole (...) be (...) to (...) that, (...) like (...) would (...) the (...) quality. (...) want (...) (24 years ago, 24-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Aaron West
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| | | | | | | (...) You are correct. I have to say that I agree with this message on all points and that I too believe that LD is doing all they CAN to satisfy what this growing community wants. Heck, if it weren't for the efforts and communication we have (...) (24 years ago, 24-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | (...) I agree with almost everything Tim stated. If people are critical of TLC or Lego Direct it's because I don't think that it necessarily follows from anything that we already know that TLC has to continue to plod along like a dinosaur with a 3 (...) (24 years ago, 24-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —James Jackson
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| | | | | | | Mike, I think you letter was 'well spoken'. I have a few points and questions of my own to voice. While it is a good idea to engineer sets made for smaller children to enjoy, they should be able to use pre-existing parts in the sets they buy to (...) (24 years ago, 24-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Kyle D. Jackson
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| | | | | | | | (...) Check out Shiri Dori's Scronym Guide: (URL) As for the Bridge issue, I can only say the 2x4 3HBCs (triple-height brick (...) I can't see the composite pieces saving money. If you are already producing the individual pieces in great quantity, (...) (24 years ago, 25-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) One thing which needs to be taken into account for the X x Y x Z bricks where Z is greater than one is that I think they were generally introduced for printed bricks. It's far cheaper to print a single brick than have 2 or 3 or 5 separate (...) (24 years ago, 25-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Paul Gyugyi
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| | | | | | | Hi Tim, I agree with you completely, but I must correct you on the use of a term: SPUDs(*) are single-purpose-usele...decorative pieces. Think "rowboat". The 3-high 2x4 brick is not a SPUD. POOPs are pieces-out-of-other-pieces. I used to call these (...) (24 years ago, 25-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | | "Paul Gyugyi" <paul@gyugyi.com> wrote in message news:G9C6Fu.3uB@lugnet.com... (...) Ok, my bad. The Single Purpose Useless...thing kinda did me in there :-) Still, POOPs are evil, nasty and very bad things. (...) Ok. (...) I don't know (...) (24 years ago, 26-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Tamyra Teed
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Tim, we came up with one... for all those blue castle toppers in the castle accessory pack... Freaking Annoying Roof Toppers Like anyone really needs anymore of those... I don't think we've gotten Shiri to add it yet though... Just figured I'd (...) (24 years ago, 26-Feb-01, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Kyle Keppler
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Duh Tim, you were there when I came up with that one :-P --Kyle High velocity LEGO/Keppler industries (URL) (...) (24 years ago, 26-Feb-01, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I remember it, but it just didn't catch on widespread like the rest. (duhh) ;) -Tim (24 years ago, 26-Feb-01, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Ohh, I thought that was for the *big* tower roof sections, like in Dragon Masters... See, for instance, (URL). Steve (24 years ago, 26-Feb-01, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'll continue to disagree, and I'll happily take those classic space printed 1x6x5 bricks off the hands of anyone who feels POOPs should never exist. I must say that I get tired listening to folks whining about POOPs when it is regularly (...) (24 years ago, 26-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | | | "Frank Filz" <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:3A99D1EF.5BDE29...ing.com... (...) when (...) Fine, if you're going to be picky about my statement, I'll revise it. Certain poops are a waste of money, and have no business existing. (...) (24 years ago, 26-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | Stop fighting! You're both right. (...) That statement is too strongly worded. I can come up with a justification for the existance of any part you care to name, and an example of a model that would be weaker if it had to use the composite parts (...) (24 years ago, 26-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Larry Pieniazek <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G9DnBx.E2y@lugnet.com... (...) to (...) I bring to your attention the 1-piece axle/propeller in 8855. I can see *absolutely no justification* for that part. TLC could easily have (...) (24 years ago, 27-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) You're talking about the part in this view: (URL) a 1988 (!!!) Technic (!!!) set, right? If that's the best part you can come up with, perhaps it's the exception that proves the rule. I don't have a copy of this set, send me yours, let me (...) (24 years ago, 27-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Maybe - if you promise to return it including the one piece that's missing - a yellow wing front (yeah I know they're not hard to find, I only bought it for parts). 8?) ROSCO (24 years ago, 27-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) You got a deal, I have a lot of those. Contact me offline for my snail. Be forewarned, though, it may take a very very close and very very detailed examination, on the order of several years of study, before I'm ready to reply. (note carefully (...) (24 years ago, 27-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Mohan Visvesvaran
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) After Larry is done, send it to me and I'll return you just the missing piece. Visu (24 years ago, 27-Feb-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Jeez I'm glad I said "maybe"!!! ROSCO Visu <eng01241@NUS.EDU.SG> wrote in message news:G9F265.9C8@lugnet.com... (...) detailed (...) reply. (...) piece. (...) (24 years ago, 28-Feb-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Surely, if the propeller had been connected to an axle in the normal way, it could have slipped off during play and hit a child in the eye. Now, as it is always connected to the 1x4 beam, it is much safer, even when spinning at high speed. (...) (24 years ago, 27-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) That may well have been TLC's justification, however I don't buy it. Let's assume we're discussing MOCs using the part, because as it is on the model, with the piston attached, and the problem with binding I also mentioned, I don't see how it (...) (24 years ago, 27-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | [removed .dear-lego from crosspost list on this reply -- remember that dear-lego is for open letters to TLC] (...) Frank said "good reasons," not "good uses." Big difference. :-) --Todd (24 years ago, 27-Feb-01, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | [removed .dear-lego from crosspost list on this reply] (...) The original example for a "POOP" (_P_ieces _O_utta _O_ther _P_ieces) back on RTL was a 1x1x5 tall brick, but IMHO, a BURP would also be an excellent example of a POOP. Naturally, it's (...) (24 years ago, 27-Feb-01, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | Oh, well, so much for my resolve to stay out of the fray... (...) Part of my point on BURPs wasn't that in many instances they are effectively POOPs but that there are models which take advantage of their hollowness. Probably such a use wasn't (...) (24 years ago, 27-Feb-01, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) I don't think anyone said that. But I know I've had creations (not good enough to see the light of day, my scrap ratio is higher than some folks) that took advantage of the hollowness. ++Lar (24 years ago, 27-Feb-01, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —James Wilson
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| | | | | | Tim, I agree with just about everything you said. The solution, as I see it, is stricter "age-rating" by TLC. POOPS, SPUDS, and SA's (and other acronyms for combining pieces) _DO_ have their place, IHMO, as "transitional elements" for younger (...) (24 years ago, 26-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | (...) I remember when I was a child, I really loved every new specialized part that arrived. I was lucky enough to experience the dawn of classic space at five years old, and I just couldn't get enough of the new parts present in classic space: The (...) (24 years ago, 26-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) If one were speculating one could certainly speculate in that direction. Tooling costs do need to be amortized, after all. (...) Makes it easier to do the instructions and easier to assemble. As well as balancing out color loading. (...) Seems (...) (24 years ago, 26-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —James Simpson
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| | | | | | (...) I'm not sold on this idea that there needs to be a transition between Duplo and System that uses POOPs. Who among us was seriously challenged by th 2x4 brick when we were 5 years old? When we were 4 years old? Heck, even 3-years-old? Nope. I'm (...) (24 years ago, 26-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Kyle D. Jackson
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| | | | | | (...) This is an interesting point. When I was in the 3-4 range, I don't think I even had wooden building blocks. I got my first LEGO Basic set around 4 I guess. By 5/6 I was into the Legoland sets and never looked back. I never had any kind of (...) (24 years ago, 27-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Gary Istok
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| | | | Mike, I can't help but agree with you in many respects, especially juniorization. Also, I think that Lego Direct has been especially harshly treated. They can only do so much as far as selling spare parts. If LD could sell us rare or old parts, I (...) (24 years ago, 23-Feb-01, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: !!!IMPORTANT!!!-SPUDS No fault of TLG-!!!IMPORTANT!!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Careful there Gary, you're going to get a rep for being a LEGO apologist! It doesn't matter that you are right. (...) I *know* it is evidence of that very thing. (...) Because the numbers aren't there. Not yet, anyway. There are advances in (...) (24 years ago, 23-Feb-01, to lugnet.general)
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