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| I've drafted a letter, and had my wife review for grammar, context and presentation. By way of credentials, my wife has worked as both a full time external communications, and internal executive communications writer in a Fortune 100 company for (...) (20 years ago, 30-Nov-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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| In lugnet.color, Mark Chan wrote: <snip> (...) I don't think TLC ever made a promise like this. I remember seeing in some catalogs from the '80s that TLC promoted the fact the most elements were interchangeable with one another, and that all the (...) (20 years ago, 30-Nov-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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| (...) Have you ever watched a child (10 and under) play with LEGO? Quite often the brick size and shape is way more important than the colour. Take a look at the "kid creations" in the LEGO Magazine. Things are made of all different colours put (...) (20 years ago, 30-Nov-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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| Thanks for the feedback. (...) Good Point. I argued that internally as well, and thought that the promise on color consistency was a stretch (at best) so it's good to see some opinions that support that counter-point of view. Please also see my (...) (20 years ago, 30-Nov-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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| (...) There is a factual error here. Dark grey and brown have not been around for 20 years. You probably want to annex the letter with a detailed description of which colours have changed, with a photo, or even real parts, as an example if you want. (...) (20 years ago, 1-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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| (...) Actually, I 100% agree with you there (and did before I posted) - and the LEGO magazines I've seen for 10+ yrs proves your point. I agree that brick size and shape are MUCH more important (and hinted at that in the letter, so it didn't appear (...) (20 years ago, 1-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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| OK Folks, I know I made a fuss about still whining about the color change after a year, but you folks are now NOT whining, your actually doing something. Yes, I would support and sign that letter. Although I rarely build with gray parts, I do use a (...) (20 years ago, 1-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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| (...) Well, they've been around for MORE than 20 years (1977 for dark grey and 1974/77 for brown, if you count the maxifig hair which probably wasn't ABS). So, yeah, maybe saying "more than 20 years" or "more than 25 years" (nice round number). (...) (20 years ago, 1-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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| (...) Great points. Facts=Good. Pictures=best way to represent color facts. Actual parts are even better than pictures. We'll have to think of some way to incorporate your idea above. (Kind of like "Exhibit #1" at a court trial - I like it) I think (...) (20 years ago, 1-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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| (...) This is a GREAT suggestion. I would part with a few new gray plates and a couple of 1x2 "old gray" plates, to make the point. I would add, why not put in some pics of various MOCS that have been displayed at shows, and on the WEB, that make (...) (20 years ago, 1-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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| (...) Haha that reminds me - the only 2004+ set I have is 4492 MINI Star Destroyer. It's sitting here in the original plastic container, minus all the non-bley pieces. I'd be happy to send this back to TLC with a letter to help prove our point! (...) (20 years ago, 1-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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| (...) Really? What sets had the dark grey? And yeah, I forgot about the maxifig hair for brown (or minifig tools, etc.). I was thinking of largely common elements when I considered when a colour first "appeared". From my recollection neither dark (...) (20 years ago, 1-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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| (...) First set to use dark grey (according to Peeron) is 590 Engine Co. #9 (1977): (URL) the Brickshelf scan, it does indeed look like they're dark grey. For brown, I see push-brooms in 1978: (URL) started showing up in "regular" pieces much later. (...) (20 years ago, 1-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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| (...) Yeah. If you try the AFOL approach, then you're into spending a lot of effort convincing people (who may already be convinced) that AFOLs matter, beforrrre you ever get to the colour issue. It's like tackling 2 challenges at once, and the (...) (20 years ago, 1-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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| (...) That's bringin' out the really big guns! ;] (...) When I said material, I was thinking more generically, to include not only the actual plastic material, but manufacturing process tweaks as well. I'm pretty sure the main material changed at (...) (20 years ago, 1-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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| In lugnet.color, Mark Chan wrote: Be honest about what affects you and cut the stuff about kids. Kids don't care too much about colours, and even though I love Lego more than the average person, I can't conceive of using it to teach my daughter (...) (20 years ago, 2-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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| (...) Wow! That may not be the most eloquent, but it sure gets the point across. I'm tempted to change all instances of "AFOL" above to "me/I" and print that out and send it in! -Bryan (20 years ago, 2-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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| (...) Leave the parent and kid letters up to the parents and kids. (20 years ago, 2-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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| (...) Your comments above are excellent. Short, concise, and sums it up. I like 4 through 6 the best. #3 is probably the least convincing statement of the 6 IMO, but is still true. If we wrap it around why "Lego should care" about AFOL (some (...) (20 years ago, 2-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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| (...) as making very late appearances... (...) Yeah, the earliest grey bricks I got were in classic space set 894 Tracking Station in 1979 (a 2x4 and a bunch of 1x1,2,3). (...) Yup! Must've been bored! ;] Thanx, KDJ ___...___ LUGNETer #203, Ontario, (...) (20 years ago, 2-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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| (...) Parents (and, in theory, kids) are also on LUGNET. Nothing at all prevents an AFOL from writing a letter that emphasizes the parental perspective more than the AFOL perspective (if at all). An AFOL-parent has the advantage that they can be (...) (20 years ago, 2-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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| (...) Oops, wrong link... (URL) Yeah, grey *brick* was really uncommon until around 1984 when the castle (...) Cross between bored and curious I guess :) Once I realized how to do it rather quickly, it was pretty easy... Though admittedly writing a (...) (20 years ago, 2-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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| By focusing on general sentiments of disappointment and broken promises, the (f)actual disadvantages of the color change were left out. Please make clear in the letter, that on a very practical level there are many ways in which both AFOLS *and* TLG (...) (20 years ago, 2-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego)
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| (...) Hey Dave, Peeron is wrong on some of the 60's dates for grey. In 1963 (Christmas 1962 to be accurate) grey plates in 1x1, 1x2, 2x2, 2x3, 2x4 and strange as it may seem 8x11 came into production. These early ones were Cellulose Acetate. They (...) (20 years ago, 3-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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| (...) GREAT post! You sure summarized pretty well my feelings. Well said! Best regards, Paulo-Renato (20 years ago, 3-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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| (...) I do think that #3 is an important issue. Might be convinging as well. Maybe if you add that that 'nightmare' is due to the similarity of the colors (and you have to compare them consistently if you don't wanna mix them up), the more room/bins (...) (20 years ago, 3-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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| (...) Normal grey bricks like 2x2, 2x3, and 2x4 were available in abundance in 1960/61 in expansion sets like 218, 219 and 220. Also, as far as I know, grey plates were used in 1957 in set 323, Train. Arne, Copenhagen (20 years ago, 3-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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| (...) Ooo, do you have inventories for these sets? (hint, hint!) Stuff that's pre-70's in Peeron isn't terribly complete... (even pre-80's is sketchy for some stuff) Actually, I guess Peeron even accepts "partial" inventories if you know a few (...) (20 years ago, 3-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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| (...) Hello Arne, I have to politely disagree with you. If what I am thinking is correct, you are seeing what appears to be grey parts in the #218 (2x4 bricks), #219 (2x3 bricks), #220 (2x2 bricks), #221 (1x2 bricks), #222 (1x1 bricks) #223 (1x1 (...) (20 years ago, 4-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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