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(...) Understood. Would this sort of feature be possible with a plugin system, so someone else who did know about it could write that? Just curious. -Tim (21 years ago, 13-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Encapsulated Post Script? Dunno anytin' bout it. (...) Kevin (21 years ago, 13-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Gotcha. This might be a tall order -- but would there be any way for LPub to create these callout elements such as numbers and lines in vector format, and write out an EPS? -Tim (21 years ago, 13-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Thanks! (...) I'm actually thinking that the page layout stuff might belong in different files with a syntax that is for page layout. Once you've generated all the images and you are to the point of rearranging them on pages, you don't want to (...) (21 years ago, 13-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) This looks cool! (...) How about LPub reading from a 'callout.ldr' submodel in the MPD file, and adding an option to say "compile callouts from previously generated images?" -Tim (21 years ago, 13-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Sorry to hear that, hope its over quick. (...) Well, with the LDraw orginal archive that Orion Sent me, (and the FIle specs page), I am well on my way to what I need. For those who care, I am archiving them here: (URL) free to point others to (...) (21 years ago, 13-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I decided to take a break from the extensibility issue and decided to tackle something I've wanted to tackle for a while: callout images for small sub-assemblies. These callout assemblies can be seen in LEGO building instructions here: (URL) (...) (21 years ago, 13-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Check your Email. I'll send #1 and 3 sans color chart -Orion (21 years ago, 13-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Ldraw.org is down for a hardware overhaul. (...) We're all anxiously waiting. Here is a link to complete.exe. I don't know where to get complete.zip. (URL) (...) Kevin (21 years ago, 13-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Due to the fact, that I nor anyone I have personal contact with have been able to get ahold of the Ldraw.org website in a few weeks, (Not sure if its truely down, or if there is a mix up in a DNS server someplace in my ISP). I am asking for a few (...) (21 years ago, 13-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hi Jennifer, I started on a new meta-command in LPub to address these concerns (because my head is still spinning from the whole extension topic.) I'm introducing a new meta-command: 0 LPUB CALLOUT BEGIN (parameters) 0 LPUB CALLOUT END It is intened (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I want to put no limitations on what people contribute to LPub, because I could use the help. I originally imagined that the "LPub extension" stuff would simply be GUI free, behind the scenes code that would make LPub deviate from its normal (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) contained (...) it (...) OK, so I've been a little overwhelmed with the whole LPub extension topic, so this seems a little harsh in hindsight. I didn't mean to sound so selfish. Open source and multiple platform are both goals, but there are (...) (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hi all, I've moved all my Lego related stuff to a new subdomain on my website. The new URL is: (URL) update all the bookmarks and hyperlinks accordingly -Orion (21 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) for the student. The only reason I wrote it was to prevent annoying comments from my editor because he doesn't have a clue on how to run a command line. IMHO LSynth GUI provides no added value beyond the annoyance prevention, but I started on (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Hi Jack, I appreciate your input. No need to leave. I guess the only reason I thought it would be good is for non-power users. Give them one stop shopping. LPub already has pretty big external program dependency list. I've spent a lot of time (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Kevin L. Clague" <kevin_clague@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:HD4J8p.wEF@lugnet.com... [ ... snippped ... ] (...) From your discussion on how LPub operates, it generates a lot more files than I realized (I never thought about generating the .dat (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> wrote in message news:HD4uy9.204w@lugnet.com... (...) I played around with it and thought it was pretty neat for how few lines of Tcl it was. I'd wager the existing LPub GUI could definitiely be done in (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yeah, I noticed the tcl/tk version of the LSynth GUI didn't get too many comments. (URL) you had any thoughts on how to make the LPub GUI portable? It's a bit heftier than the LSynth GUI, but it's probably doable in tcl/tk. Don (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Kevin, Let me preface my response by saying I'm a programmer, but with zero socket or plug-in experience; I've never had a need to do either. Now the reason I've de-lurked: you've suggested a couple times that you would incorporate useful code into (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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In attempt to flesh out the LPub extension facilities, I thought I'd describe how LPub works. LPub is two parts, a GUI that lets you modify global attributes used when generating building instructions, and the processes to create the building (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I've tried to outline some of the interface on (URL) think that both topics are relevent now. The protocol is easier to lock down than the extensibility, because that will be forever growing and changing. (...) Is anyone out there interested (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm not sure what the advantage to this would be. The POV rendering already consumes 100% of your computer for hours, if not days. More clients would just make things worse. What you really want is for LPub to do distributed image rendering (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Thanks for the wonderful suggestion Wayne. (...) I'll go for the language neutral socket solution. (...) I'll only allow one connection though, at least until I reorganize my data. <snip> (...) At first my head started spinning through all (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I disagree. (...) Yes. I can see the need for the name of the generated file at each post processing step. Did you want a list of *all* the files generated for a given entire model as well? (...) Good. This is the kind of stuff I envisioned (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) That fits you to a T. LOL! ;-) -Tim (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) rofl. I know a few people like that. (...) That sounds like an opinion to me. And it fits my credo: "Never take what's offered. If given the choice between A or B, demand C". Steve (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Agreed. It does seem a bit silly to spend all this time discussing languages and protocols when we don't even know what LPUB features will be accessed by said languages and protocols. (...) I'm not sure how you can have those doubts when we (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Don: No matter what stategy is taken, there needs to be a documentation effort to describe what features of LPub are going to be provided for extensibility. This is true irrespective of whether a particular scripting language is selected (e.g. (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yeah, but don't define yet another new protocol. Go with a simple protocol that already exists like XML-RPC. (URL) don't much simpler than that. Plus if you look at the implementations page you'll see that tcl, perl, java, and just about (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) oooh - I like this :) not to mention, it allows LPub to work in "server mode", for multiple clients. I'll write the perl implementation for it :) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Kevin: Before you choose between Tcl and Perl, you might want to broaden your focus a little. Neither Tcl nor Perl are particularly good extensibility languages, even though Tcl was ostensibly designed as an extensibility language. My first (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I want to make one thing clear.... The embedded scripting is for the power users... As power users develop new ideas I will encorporate them into LPub in a way that the novice does not require the novice to be an expert. LPub is powerful, yet (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I asked an old friend (non-LEGO person) about his preferences, and much to my suprise, he had no opinion. I was at a loss for words, because he *always* has an opinion. He suggests that I do both :^) Kevin (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) a quick search didn't pull any up, but it was very quick :) [snip] (...) heh. we could start an editor war, or a browser war, if you like instead? :) (...) (URL) Dan Boger dan@peeron.com (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Dan Boger" <dan@peeron.com> wrote in message news:20030408192657....ron.com... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) [ ... snipped ... ] This would be an interesting statistic to know. I wonder how one might find this out. Somewhere on the web there has (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I figured you weren't, but, wouldn't a rough estimate of who uses what *within* the community help? Just a thought. -Tim (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) but I'm not talking about LDraw.org users, nor am I talking about LUGNET users. Some things, a poll isn't the right answer to :) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) That could be another LDraw.org web poll, or a LUGNET poll... -Tim (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I believe you can write unreadable code in any language - perl perhaps makes it easy for you, but it also lets you write extreamly readable readable code - just a matter of style. [snip] (...) I don't know - that's up to Kevin to decide. I (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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