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In attempt to flesh out the LPub extension facilities, I thought I'd describe how LPub works. LPub is two parts, a GUI that lets you modify global attributes used when generating building instructions, and the processes to create the building (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Embedded language support in LPub
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(...) I've tried to outline some of the interface on (URL) think that both topics are relevent now. The protocol is easier to lock down than the extensibility, because that will be forever growing and changing. (...) Is anyone out there interested (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm not sure what the advantage to this would be. The POV rendering already consumes 100% of your computer for hours, if not days. More clients would just make things worse. What you really want is for LPub to do distributed image rendering (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Thanks for the wonderful suggestion Wayne. (...) I'll go for the language neutral socket solution. (...) I'll only allow one connection though, at least until I reorganize my data. <snip> (...) At first my head started spinning through all (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I disagree. (...) Yes. I can see the need for the name of the generated file at each post processing step. Did you want a list of *all* the files generated for a given entire model as well? (...) Good. This is the kind of stuff I envisioned (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Embedded language support in LPub
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(...) That fits you to a T. LOL! ;-) -Tim (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) rofl. I know a few people like that. (...) That sounds like an opinion to me. And it fits my credo: "Never take what's offered. If given the choice between A or B, demand C". Steve (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Agreed. It does seem a bit silly to spend all this time discussing languages and protocols when we don't even know what LPUB features will be accessed by said languages and protocols. (...) I'm not sure how you can have those doubts when we (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Don: No matter what stategy is taken, there needs to be a documentation effort to describe what features of LPub are going to be provided for extensibility. This is true irrespective of whether a particular scripting language is selected (e.g. (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yeah, but don't define yet another new protocol. Go with a simple protocol that already exists like XML-RPC. (URL) don't much simpler than that. Plus if you look at the implementations page you'll see that tcl, perl, java, and just about (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) oooh - I like this :) not to mention, it allows LPub to work in "server mode", for multiple clients. I'll write the perl implementation for it :) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Kevin: Before you choose between Tcl and Perl, you might want to broaden your focus a little. Neither Tcl nor Perl are particularly good extensibility languages, even though Tcl was ostensibly designed as an extensibility language. My first (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I want to make one thing clear.... The embedded scripting is for the power users... As power users develop new ideas I will encorporate them into LPub in a way that the novice does not require the novice to be an expert. LPub is powerful, yet (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I asked an old friend (non-LEGO person) about his preferences, and much to my suprise, he had no opinion. I was at a loss for words, because he *always* has an opinion. He suggests that I do both :^) Kevin (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) a quick search didn't pull any up, but it was very quick :) [snip] (...) heh. we could start an editor war, or a browser war, if you like instead? :) (...) (URL) Dan Boger dan@peeron.com (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Dan Boger" <dan@peeron.com> wrote in message news:20030408192657....ron.com... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) [ ... snipped ... ] This would be an interesting statistic to know. I wonder how one might find this out. Somewhere on the web there has (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I figured you weren't, but, wouldn't a rough estimate of who uses what *within* the community help? Just a thought. -Tim (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) but I'm not talking about LDraw.org users, nor am I talking about LUGNET users. Some things, a poll isn't the right answer to :) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) That could be another LDraw.org web poll, or a LUGNET poll... -Tim (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I believe you can write unreadable code in any language - perl perhaps makes it easy for you, but it also lets you write extreamly readable readable code - just a matter of style. [snip] (...) I don't know - that's up to Kevin to decide. I (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Kevin L. Clague" <kevin_clague@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:HD1BFD.1D64@lugnet.com... (...) It looks like you have all of the ones I can think of. Being able to control all of the settings that are available from the GUI is top of the list. It (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Dan Boger" <dan@peeron.com> wrote in message news:20030408155024....ron.com... [ ... snipped ... ] (...) Not just over the phone, live and in person as well. More powerful does not always mean something s better. Perl allows people to do a lot of (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Dan and Mike, <snip> Any feedback on what I outlined for scripting interface and such? Kevin (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LPub 2.1.0.7 Released
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Hi Kevin, Thanks for all of your hard work on this program! I downloaded the new version last night, and noticed during installation that the version number shown on the first splash screen was for 2.1.0.6. -Joel (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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(...) it's true that Tcl is probably easier to read and support, over the phone. Perl is more powerful, and therefor harder to understand what a user is trying to do in his code. I'm not sure this would be an issue for LPub though. [snip] (...) perl (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Kevin L. Clague" <kevin_clague@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:HD11Aq.CBL@lugnet.com... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) My personal prefeence would be Tcl. I think it is a better scripting solution for CAD tools than Perl is. I have worked with (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) perl, of course :) and if you know perl, and not Tcl, I think you should go with what you know. (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hi All, LPub fans may be aware that I'm planning on adding scripting language support into LPub to let the *power* users do what they want, including prototyping new features that may someday be incorporated directly into LPub. The idea behind (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | LPub 2.1.0.7 Released
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Hi All, I only posted this to announce, but thought wiser. I've released LPub 2.1.0.7 for general use. It contains a few new minor features, but more importantly there are fixes to the combination of rotation steps and buffer exchange, as well as (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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| | Re: Another LPub request/suggestion
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(...) Hey, since you're planning on using tcl for lpub, perhaps it makes sense to convert the lsynth GUI into a portable tcl/tk app. I haven't done any tcl/tk in years, but I took a quick stab at it. (URL) still needs some work to get the log to (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Another LPub request/suggestion
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(...) <snip> (...) I like the word because for me it implies that others can develop such "plugin" things. (...) I like perl syntax better, but I really think that the Tcl solution is much more lightweight. (...) Kevin (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Kevin, I wondering if you were going to notice the usage of the word "plugin"! This sounds great! Can't wait to start hacking around with TCL! Jake --- Jake McKee LEGO Enthusiast Webmaster - B.I. Portal (URL) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hi All, Jake, thanks for the label suggestion. I'm going to release LPub with the fixes and new features indicated in /www.lugnet.com/cad/dec/1527. This will get a few major fixes and features out there for people to use. The next development step (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Sorry about the delay. I made most of the changes that Steve suggested, along with a few others, and posted both a line-number-annotated .txt version and an html version. The html version can be found here: (URL) still not 100% complete, I (...) (21 years ago, 6-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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OK, I made almost all the changes you suggested. I only skipped one, as noted below. I also made some other changes that are all indicated by the 12 version number at the beginning of each line. (...) I don't think I agree. I don't think people (...) (21 years ago, 6-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Another LPub request/suggestion
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Kevin, After looking at the seemingly extinct Label Printer program that Gary Williams had developed a while back, I had the thought for an LPub "plugin" so to speak. Wouldn't it be great if LPub could spit out labels for marking storage bins? If (...) (21 years ago, 6-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I am going to pull out some instructions today and take a look. This is quite interesting. The only thing that this standardization doesn't take into account is overall page layout. If you have a redish background image your instructions are (...) (21 years ago, 6-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Jennifer Clark" <jen@vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk> skrev i meddelandet news:HCrz3C.1I8r@lugnet.com... (...) the (...) Maybe this could be solved with a META command for (temporary) sub-level shifts? -- Anders Isaksson, Sweden BlockCAD: (2 URLs) (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I would find *both* of these items useful. But my needs probably *don't* represent the needs of most people. Steve (22 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Travis & All - What's the status on this? Is there a document we can call 'final' or final enough to post on the site? If so, could one of you do me a HUGE favor of going throug the paragraphs and separating them like this? <p> paragraph. </p> <p> (...) (22 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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