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(...) > there are no optional lines. Shouldn't that be fixed at some point? (...) I disagree. No optional lines are needed on inside curves. Play well, Jacob (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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If you check out the big space dish (3961.dat) you can see the optional line algorithm fails because there are no optional lines. In my opinion this part is good. There is no need to fix this part because it will only get larger and slows down some (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) MPD files should not be named ".ldr" (or ".dat")! Jacob (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Done. Play well, Jacob (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I am not sure about explicit drive references. Actually, I think we should limit it to _relative_ paths. We should also decide on a preferred - or maybe even fixed - directory name delimiter. I suppose that it should be "\", even though Unix (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I would even call it a bad thing to do. But then I have a habit of putting "FILE" meta-command in all my files, so maybe I should stop criticising and try to fix my own bad habits first. > It's very easy to overwrite the main file with if the (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I have ldr files with up to 4 levels of nested sub files, and LDview, L3Lab, and MLCad all appear to render them fine. ROSCO (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I don't know about the other parsers, but as far as LDView is concerned an LDraw file is an LDraw file is an LDraw file. It makes no distinctions between ldr files, dat files, and mpd files. If it sees a 0 FILE command, it starts its MPD (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I don't know how ldglite and other parsers work, but I guess they don't create files with paths and all, but rather objects somewhere in RAM, with 'filenames' just as a property. But if you call the procedure SaveToFile(Path+FileName) to save (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) This is a very good question, and is even more important with the migration to a single filename suffix (.LDR). What happens when your type-1 line refers to a LDR that happens to be a multi-part dat? Cheers, - jsproat (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Another thing I realised the other day is that in Australia, the opposite of clockwise is generally anti-clockwise rather than counter-clockwise, so the BFC CERTIFY should really be CW or ACW, but it's a bit late to worry about it now! ROSCO (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) FWIW both the ldlite and l3 parsers in ldglite are OK with paths in an MPD file. Just make sure the path in the 0 FILE line matches the path on the type 1 line that pulls in the subfile. If they don't match it reports that it can't find the (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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I was wondering, didn't see it discussed in the text, is it permitted / custom to have ldraw files in a mpd file reference other mpd files? If so is the first part in the file used or is there some naming convention pointing to the correctsubpart (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Hmm. I don't remember if there was a lot of discussion about putting paths on the 0 FILE line. So I won't say for absolute sure that the program should allow them. I'd say any software that *thinks* it needs a directory, and crashes when it's (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Err, the entry for MPD in the glossary: (URL) here: (URL) is a bad link. Could you update the glossary to point to the new spec? Don (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) MPD Workshop cannot handle a reference to a non-existing directory, or rather, it does not create a folder if necessary. For example: (URL) line: 0 FILE s\41342s01.dat assumes that there already exists the folder 's\' in the target directory, (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Good point. Should probably also add the following... - There shouldn't be multiple files with the same name. - paths are allowed, so are explicit drive references. But the capability should be use with restraint, since it can easily make it (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) One addition that might be useful for people using the spec is to explicitly state that other than the first file being the main one, there is no implicit order to the remaining files. This is implied by the existing spec, but not actually (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Great! One question: I think I've seen some MPD files with the extension .dat and named exactly the same as its main model sub-file. IMHO, it's a risky thing to do. It's very easy to overwrite the main file with if the mpd is named the same. (It (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I don't know if we ever agreed on it; I don't remember the discussion of it at all. But I included it in the page. (...) Oyez, oyez! Please read the new Multi-Part DAT (MPD) Language Extension specification at (URL). All comments, suggestions, (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) This is technically due to bad dat code, not the algorithm. That edge shouldn't contain optional lines. However, given that they used a smashed half-sphere, they had no control over the presense of type 5 lines along that edge. And it's the (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Not at all. It seems like a very sensible thing to do. I presume that the update will include the "NOFILE" meta-command (if we ever got around to agree on it). Please announce it, when the copy is ready, so I can change my web pages to point (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Jacob, Do you mind if I copy (and update) the information on your MPD page to www.ldraw.org/reference/specs? Steve (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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When I was implementing smoothing on part level using optional lines, I discovered an artifact in the smoothing algorithm. You can see what I mean by looking at the 'Space Radar Dish' 3960.dat using LDView 1.95 or later with primitive substitution (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Don Heyse wrote: > I was kinda hoping you'd do (...) :-) Be prepared to act as guinea-pig, once I get a cross compiler to work. ;-) Play well, Jacob (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Looks stable. Perhaps you can use the smooth pattern suggestion to draw a pattern in the back buffer and use glCopyTexImage2D( ) to make a texture of it. Then replace the geometric pattern with a texture. This might speed things up considerably and (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I forgot to mention. I didn't miss your suggestion of redrawing polygon outlines smoothed for patterned polygons; I just haven't implemented it yet. It is on my to-do list: (URL) even on the top list, which is items I actually plan to (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Don Heyse writes: ... (...) Thanks, Don! (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Heh, this should be it, but it isn't. (URL) a short version of the specs here. (URL) it leaves out the 0 NOFILE bit mentioned here. (URL) think if you search for NOFILE on lugnet you'll find the discussion on scope inside an MPD file, which (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Could anybody point me to the file specs for mpd files? I know I've seen them, but now that I need them, I just can't find them. (Yes, I have looked (at least ten minutes) for the MPD specs in both lugnet and ldraw.org without finding it). TIA, (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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FUT lugnet.cad.dev (...) This is by design, as the smoothing it performed at the part level. You can force other parts to be smoothed by adding the following line to the part dat file (near the beginning, preferably before any actual geometry): 0 (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev)
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FUT lugnet.cad.dev. (...) I haven't personally looked at it, but the thing to remember when writing C++ that is going to be accessed from another language is that you usually have to write C functions, and declare them as being WINAPI. You also have (...) (22 years ago, 4-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Beats me. I'm still using the old 2.95 compiler for windows. I might be motivated to switch when they get the java compiler working with the mingw toolchain. I was kinda hoping you'd do the all the legwork on the cross compiler after I pointed (...) (22 years ago, 4-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Thanks. I suppose I should try to build a cross-compiler, so I can compile for Win32 and MacOS as well as for Linux and Tru64. The MinGW documentation you pointed to seemed to be based on GCC 2.95, which is too bug-ridden to use for compiling (...) (22 years ago, 4-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hello! New version is out now. Get it at (URL) ! + = New feature * = Bugfix - = Removed feature v1.1 2002/08/03 * Fixed shortcuts for Cut, Copy, Paste + Redid the search options / added 'search' menu + Added 'Find next' (F3) option + Undo now (...) (22 years ago, 3-Aug-02, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev) !
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(...) Yes. I thought about changing all the other tiles to match this one. :) (Most of the patterned tiles don't include the "with groove" notation, because they only exist in one form. And we can usually use those characters for better descriptions (...) (22 years ago, 2-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Travis Cobbs" <tcobbs@REMOVE.halibut.com> wrote in message news:H06tvn.HEA@lugnet.com... (...) similar (...) might (...) a (...) program (...) runtime (...) Being a VB programmer myself who doesn't have the time or the inclination to learn another (...) (22 years ago, 2-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I understand where you're coming from, but I personally feel that the registry does have its place, if used properly. Mind you, most programs don't use it properly in my opinion. LDView uses the registry to remember your settings, and to remember (...) (22 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Isn't the style for the other grooved tiles "with Groove", not "Grooved"? I think it would make more sense to call the other one "Tile 2 x 2 with Black Circle Pattern without Groove", since a) the grooveless tiles are more "exotic" and b) as a (...) (22 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Due to this information, I have deleted the unofficial, "~Moved to 3068bp17" version of 3068p17.dat from Parts Tracker. And I changed the title of 3068bp17.dat to "Tile 2 x 2 Grooved with Black Circle Pattern". Steve (22 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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