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  LDraw Help Desk Tutorials (Was Re: What's up with www.ldraw.org?)
 
(...) They have know of the files for several months now. I talked to them prior to uploading them to ensure that they did not get deleted. But alas water under the bridge... I've moved all the LDraw development stuff to my website under my control. (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Java 3D app ready for Mac LDraw?
 
(...) Expect progress to be slow. I'm over-committed without this. But, I'd really like to see it happen. And, I don't think the programming is going to be very ugly. (...) I expect that extending the AoI interface will be simpler. A rendering (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
 
  Re: Java 3D app ready for Mac LDraw?
 
(...) Cool, glad someone paid attention :-) Please keep us up to date on your progress. My lack of programming skills will show through here -- but is it theoretically possible to build a LEGO CAD friendly interface over AoI's rendering engine? I've (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
 
  Re: Java 3D app ready for Mac LDraw?
 
(...) Someone mentioned AoI a while back. At the additional prompting, I downloaded the app (and the source and docs) and started researching what would be needed. Simple reading and writing of ldr files seems pretty straightforward. I have been in (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
(...) Agreed. It does seem a bit silly to spend all this time discussing languages and protocols when we don't even know what LPUB features will be accessed by said languages and protocols. (...) I'm not sure how you can have those doubts when we (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
(...) Don: No matter what stategy is taken, there needs to be a documentation effort to describe what features of LPub are going to be provided for extensibility. This is true irrespective of whether a particular scripting language is selected (e.g. (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: What's up with www.ldraw.org?
 
(...) -Tim (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: What's up with www.ldraw.org?
 
(...) I believe it's brickshelf's policy to delete executables and unviewable files automatically. I think it's trustworthy and dependable if you use it according to the terms it's meant to be used. (...) I put the latest version of complete.exe on (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: What's up with www.ldraw.org?
 
(...) AHAHHAHA!!! BRICKSHELF MODERATORS DELETE THEM!!!! AHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! I have to leave right now and will be back by 10PM CST online. I will set tp the files somewhere that WILL NOT delete them. The earliest the files will be up is tomorrow (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Status for the LDraw.org server
 
My server hosting LDraw.org will be off-line for a while more (maybe only until tomorrow), while a friend of mine upgrades the hardware (much needed extra disk) and software (to Debian stable). I will announce it here, when the machine is back (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw) ! 
 
  Re: What's up with www.ldraw.org?
 
(...) FYI, I just tried it and recieved a file not found error for the installer files. Also could you post the latest complete.exe on that page. The link there points to the LDRAW site. Thanks Jimmy (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
(...) Yeah, but don't define yet another new protocol. Go with a simple protocol that already exists like XML-RPC. (URL) don't much simpler than that. Plus if you look at the implementations page you'll see that tcl, perl, java, and just about (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: What's up with www.ldraw.org?
 
(...) Try now... took longer to upload than expected. Sorry about that. -Ahui LDraw Help Desk (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: What's up with www.ldraw.org?
 
(...) Those should be the latest versions. LDraw 0.27 and Complete 2003-01. Steve (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: What's up with www.ldraw.org?
 
(...) I would, but that page is unavailable, too. :( Mike (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: What's up with www.ldraw.org?
 
(...) Thanks to the moderators at brickshelf. The files have been DELETED! Please use ONLY the link below which is ON my website. I'm getting real "freaking" tired of getting stuff delete from brickshelf! (...) (URL) (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: What's up with www.ldraw.org?
 
(...) Thank you for posting the file but it is not neccesary. As the LDraw Help Desk Coordinator I have made provisions for emergencies like this. Anyone that wants LDraw can find it at the following location: (URL) Download the (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
(...) oooh - I like this :) not to mention, it allows LPub to work in "server mode", for multiple clients. I'll write the perl implementation for it :) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
(...) Kevin: Before you choose between Tcl and Perl, you might want to broaden your focus a little. Neither Tcl nor Perl are particularly good extensibility languages, even though Tcl was ostensibly designed as an extensibility language. My first (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
(...) I want to make one thing clear.... The embedded scripting is for the power users... As power users develop new ideas I will encorporate them into LPub in a way that the novice does not require the novice to be an expert. LPub is powerful, yet (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: What's up with www.ldraw.org?
 
(...) I hope it all goes well. I've posted Ldraw027.exe and a complete.exe on my yahoo site. You should be able to get to it here (URL) version has a 2/18/02 date on it, but it is the latest I could find. If anyone has the current one I'ld be happy (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)  
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
I asked an old friend (non-LEGO person) about his preferences, and much to my suprise, he had no opinion. I was at a loss for words, because he *always* has an opinion. He suggests that I do both :^) Kevin (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
(...) a quick search didn't pull any up, but it was very quick :) [snip] (...) heh. we could start an editor war, or a browser war, if you like instead? :) (...) (URL) Dan Boger dan@peeron.com (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
"Dan Boger" <dan@peeron.com> wrote in message news:20030408192657....ron.com... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) [ ... snipped ... ] This would be an interesting statistic to know. I wonder how one might find this out. Somewhere on the web there has (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  LDraw Viewer 0.5 bugs
 
Andrew, I noticed a few problems when I went to play with LDV 0.5. Start LDV Click cancel at initial open model dialog Select "New" LDV crashes Start LDV open a model using initial open model dialog Select "New" LDV crashes Start LDV Click cancel at (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
(...) I figured you weren't, but, wouldn't a rough estimate of who uses what *within* the community help? Just a thought. -Tim (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
(...) but I'm not talking about LDraw.org users, nor am I talking about LUGNET users. Some things, a poll isn't the right answer to :) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
(...) That could be another LDraw.org web poll, or a LUGNET poll... -Tim (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
(...) I believe you can write unreadable code in any language - perl perhaps makes it easy for you, but it also lets you write extreamly readable readable code - just a matter of style. [snip] (...) I don't know - that's up to Kevin to decide. I (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
"Kevin L. Clague" <kevin_clague@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:HD1BFD.1D64@lugnet.com... (...) It looks like you have all of the ones I can think of. Being able to control all of the settings that are available from the GUI is top of the list. It (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
"Dan Boger" <dan@peeron.com> wrote in message news:20030408155024....ron.com... [ ... snipped ... ] (...) Not just over the phone, live and in person as well. More powerful does not always mean something s better. Perl allows people to do a lot of (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
Dan and Mike, <snip> Any feedback on what I outlined for scripting interface and such? Kevin (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: LPub 2.1.0.7 Released
 
Hi Kevin, Thanks for all of your hard work on this program! I downloaded the new version last night, and noticed during installation that the version number shown on the first splash screen was for 2.1.0.6. -Joel (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
(...) it's true that Tcl is probably easier to read and support, over the phone. Perl is more powerful, and therefor harder to understand what a user is trying to do in his code. I'm not sure this would be an issue for LPub though. [snip] (...) perl (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
"Kevin L. Clague" <kevin_clague@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:HD11Aq.CBL@lugnet.com... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) My personal prefeence would be Tcl. I think it is a better scripting solution for CAD tools than Perl is. I have worked with (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Embedded language support in LPub
 
(...) perl, of course :) and if you know perl, and not Tcl, I think you should go with what you know. (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Embedded language support in LPub
 
Hi All, LPub fans may be aware that I'm planning on adding scripting language support into LPub to let the *power* users do what they want, including prototyping new features that may someday be incorporated directly into LPub. The idea behind (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: What's up with www.ldraw.org?
 
(...) I messed up the SSH and HTTP servers so much that the machine had to be taken off-line to get a (much needed anyway) system upgrade. I hope it will be back on-line tonight, but I can't say for sure. Play well, Jacob (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)  
 
  LPub 2.1.0.7 Released
 
Hi All, I only posted this to announce, but thought wiser. I've released LPub 2.1.0.7 for general use. It contains a few new minor features, but more importantly there are fixes to the combination of rotation steps and buffer exchange, as well as (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
 
  Re: Another LPub request/suggestion
 
(...) Hey, since you're planning on using tcl for lpub, perhaps it makes sense to convert the lsynth GUI into a portable tcl/tk app. I haven't done any tcl/tk in years, but I took a quick stab at it. (URL) still needs some work to get the log to (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)


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