 | | Lego at Gerf.Org —Christian Holtje
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| | | ***...*** Announcing Lego at Gerf.Org ***...*** Want a location to post your Lego ideas, but don't want to build a whole web site around it? Want to share your ideas with others in the Lego community? Or maybe you're looking for a way to do (...) (25 years ago, 25-Sep-99, to lugnet.announce)
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| | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Mike Timm
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| | | | | (...) Nice idea overall, but bad idea on the domain name. (URL) you go to the above link you will find out why. In a nutshell, The LEGO Group does not like the word "LEGO" in the domain of a website or service etc... Its a trademark thing. So you (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | (...) "Gerf" doesn't sound even remotely connected to LEGO. Their policy states that you shouldn't use Lego as part of the _domain name_, which it isn't in this case. "lego" is the _host name_, which is an entirely different thing. Granted, their (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Naji Norder
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| | | | | | | (...) I wouldn't say that they are entirely different things. A domain name is any old DNS entry. Some DNS entries just happen to point to a particular host machine. From a domain name standpoint, there really is no major difference. [1] Thanks, (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | (...) There may be no functional difference, but they're very different things. A domain name certainly _isn't_ any old DNS entry. A DNS entry can be a lot of things -- an MX record, a CNAME, etc. Some DNS entries are for host names. Those get A (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | (...) Hrmmm.... reaching back to my tcp/ip class (back burner stuff since I won't be testing on it for a month at least) - doesn't a fully qualified domain name, by definition, include the host name? (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | (...) Sure. But a FQDN is different from a "domain name". That's what the "Fully-Qualified" part is there for. :) FQDN = host name + domain name. Therefore, by definition, host name is not a part of domain name. (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | That last message should have had Followup-To set to lugnet.publish. Sorry. (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) In this case, "lego" is indeed the host name, but it's _also_ part of the domain name: It's part of the 3rd-level domain name. The popular media has been propagating the misperception that "domain name" equals "second level domain name," but (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Whoops, I meant that it was propagating the misperception that "domain name" equals "second-level domain name, followed by a dot, followed by first-level domain name" -- i.e., plonk.com or blarg.net or snoot.org. "We put the dot in .com!" (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | (...) It could be. But it could also be a host name. I appeal to the FOLDOC: <URL:(URL) "domain" is most commonly used to refer to a group of computers whose hostnames share a common suffix, the domain name. The last component of this is the (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.publish, Matthew Miller writes: <snipped debate about technicalities of internet addresses> (...) You're (the plural you) picking nits. If you re-read the specific entry in the fairplay document(1) it clearly states: "The LEGO Trademark (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Sure, an "Internet Address" consists of a number. So that's pretty meaningless. Or, if you want to interpret more broadly, than maybe they mean URL. Uh-oh then: <URL:(URL) or <URL:(URL) or even <URL:(URL) are against the rules. I don't think (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Techinically. But I think it's safe to say that TLG was not aiming their fair play document at internet design experts. They were aiming it at laymen. I suspect (but can't prove) that if you ask the average joe in the street what at internet (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Really? That's pretty sad. (...) I assume that Blacktron is a trademark of TLG. (It's definitely "their" word, in any case.) So yeah, assuming that lego.blacktron.org belongs to TLG makes sense. But (and I mean this in all the best way) if you (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) That possibility, or that I >think< that? ;-) (...) When I read a URL that conists primarily of words, I instinctively try to read it as a sentence instead of as placeholders for a string of numbers. <shrug> That's the language I grew up with. (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) The possibility of course! (...) Well, the site content is an entirely different issue. I'm entirely understanding of the need for obvious "This is not an official Lego site" disclaimers. But anyway, it's not a matter of translating to (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Maybe what they mean is simply 'lego' appearing anywhere between the initial '(URL) and the first standalone '/', i.e. (URL) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) And, to beat the proverbial deceased large solid-hoofed herbivorous mammal a bit more, they _do_ say that what they're concerned with is confusion over just who owns/sponsors the site. It only takes an elementary understanding of the system to (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Look. I think people are basically good and smart and all that. (1) But I think you're presuming a bit much about Joe Unwashed and his knowledge of the nuances of domain names. Joe Unwashed has about a 50% chance(2) of thinking lego.gerf.org (...) (25 years ago, 27-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) The problem is that this really is a new medium. The people who wrote the Fair Play statement don't seem to understand it completely, but what they do say actually is pretty reasonable. Although I've got issues with connecting DNS and (...) (25 years ago, 28-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | Disclaimer on the following - I am not a lawyer... (...) Note that trademarks usually are limited to the market domain (both region covered by the market, and the product set) of the trademark. Thus, using LEGO in association with construction toys (...) (25 years ago, 28-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Actually, I think that the goods/services class system is an extremely good reason for not allowing trademarks to have anything to do with domain (or host) names. Since there's no way from looking at a domain/host name to tell what content -- (...) (25 years ago, 28-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) As a consumer, I really appreciate that when I form a host name out of a company name, 9 times out of 10, I get that companies web site. Imagine if instead, 9 times out of 10 you got a competitor's site? What if lego.com pointed to a porno (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I realize that it's convenient, but it's just not realistic. (See my earlier comments. Or e-mail me if you want to hear me rant more.) The DNS is NOT meant to be a directory service. For many reasons, it doesn't work well as one. As for the (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) To a certain extent, it doesn't really matter how it was meant to be used, but how it does get used. Lego sets aren't >meant< to be used by adults. Does that mean we should all stop using them? <grin> James (URL) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Sure, but I hope that what _actually works well_ does matter. And DNS-as-directory doesn't. (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Christian Holtje
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| | | | | | | | (...) Gerf, pronounced with a hard "G", is un-related. I will not contact them to ask their permission for this domain as I don't want to know their answer. Their rules about "internet addresses" are vague (is www.gerf.org/~lego not allowed? How (...) (25 years ago, 28-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | (...) Good move. (...) Really? Do you provide your own hosting or do you pay someone else for it? Do you provide your own pipe if you own the machine? I'd say if TLG wanted to cut you off they could find someone willing to agree with them, but (...) (25 years ago, 28-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Christian Holtje
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well.....I don't pay for the pipe, but me and Jerry own gerf.org to the last screw. I'm not sure what would happen if they tried. With the way things are going, I suspect that I could find a lawyer in Silicon Valley.... Ciao! (25 years ago, 28-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | (...) It's an interesting point. Network Solutions gets involved in trademark disputes over second level domains, but I've never heard of them caring about what goes on under that -- it's not, so to speak, their domain. And if you're providing your (...) (25 years ago, 28-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) IANAL and I don't know about precedent of other third-level domains other than the legowww.homepages.com incident in 1995-1996. Here's a bit more info... David Koblas, who ran the legowww.homepages.com site from 1995 to 1996, posted a copy of (...) (25 years ago, 28-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Zlatko Unger
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| | | | | | I changed my url at virtualave.net from lego. to bricks. because I did not want Lego to contact me. Later I moved to refraxion and have my url as (URL) ! -- Z. Unger dzz@mindspring.com ICQ: 14375008 ===...=== LEGO Fusion : (URL) Universe : (URL) (...) (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | (...) Be careful. "Fusion" is a trademark of Rollerblade. (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | (...) And lest you think that this is okay simply because rollerblades are not construction toys: toys and sports equipment are in the same trademark class, Class 28 (Toys and sporting goods). (25 years ago, 29-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Zlatko Unger
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| | | | Really, well my website does not have to do anything with rollerblades. Also there are different sites that use fusion within their titles. There are programs on computers wiht fusion in the title, like there is a WinAmp skin called Cold Fusion. (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | Re: Lego at Gerf.Org —Matthew Miller
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| | | | (...) Yes, that is so. And that's my point -- it's stupid for trademarks to be linked to domain names. But if they were, the fact that your site has nothing to do with rollerblades wouldn't matter to the lawyers -- toys and sports equipment are in (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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