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Re: Suggested Change in Charter for ALL Lugnet Theme Groups.
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lugnet.admin.general
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Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:03:57 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Scott Arthur writes:
> In lugnet.admin.general, Shiri Dori writes:
> > Not only do most people object to allowing this - but the only people I've
> > seen who are for it are potential *sellers*, not buyers.
> >
> > Furthermore, this goes against what Todd said:
> > "It was never the intention for the welcoming to occur by any
> > means other than newsgroup charters. (In other words, the participants in
> > a given newsgroup cannot just get together all of a sudden and decide that
> > auction spam is welcome in that newsgroup.)"
> > ref: http://www.lugnet.com/admin/general/?n=4885
>
> One man's spam, is another's lunchean meat.
The reference is to auction posts of any kind, whether they are considered
spam or not is irrelevant and depends on each individual.
> > Auction posts of any kind are not welcome in theme groups, and by changing
> > this, even slightly, you'll cause even more grey areas then are now. Your
> > suggested rules and restrictions will be very easy to go around
> > (intentionally
> > or otherwise) and will cause even more confusion and friction than there is
> > now.
>
> In what way?
I'll quote your original post and reply to that, if you don't mind:
"I suggest the pre-auction announcements should be allowed in all theme
groups, with the following provisos:
"3. All sets auctioned should be at least 3 years old - this will disallow
most clearance "box shifters"."
Three years might seem like an arbitrary number, and people will argue against
it... or they'll want to change it to 'any discountinued sets'...
"6. The initial post should only have the title "theme_name PRE AUCTION
ANNOUNCEMENT" - Nothing more."
Why?
"7. The auction post and terms should be pre-checked by lugnet.admin.council
to ensure it is "fair" & complies with points 1 to 6."
By doing this you're generating unneccessary work. The council is intended to
clarify grey areas and discuss topics that the community is unsure of - not to
check every auction announcement that comes up.
The 'rules'/provisos that you suggest will only cause more confusion. The more
complicated the rules you put on, the harder it is to enforce them and the
harder it is for newbies to understand them or the reasoning behind them.
> > I don't see any reason for changing the theme groups' charter. In your
> > original post, Scott, you did not give one reason for this. Why would we want
> > this? If you have reasons, please mention them. Right now, I can't figure out
> > any good things coming out of this other than the benefits of private auction
> > sellers.
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> To ensure buyers are fully aware of what is available.
If buyers *want* to be aware of what's available, they can consciously go to
lugnet.market and search whatever they want to find.
> If this change was to
> come into action, it would put private auctions on a par with private sales.
No, it wouldn't. Sales or sales announcements aren't allowed in theme groups
either. They are just more tolerated when they *do* occur, and even then they
are usually directed to b-s-t.
-Shiri
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