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Re: Suggested Change in Charter for ALL Lugnet Theme Groups.
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lugnet.admin.general
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Date:
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Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:14:56 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Shiri Dori writes:
> In lugnet.admin.general, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.admin.general, Shiri Dori writes:
> > > Not only do most people object to allowing this - but the only people I've
> > > seen who are for it are potential *sellers*, not buyers.
> > >
> > > Furthermore, this goes against what Todd said:
> > > "It was never the intention for the welcoming to occur by any
> > > means other than newsgroup charters. (In other words, the participants in
> > > a given newsgroup cannot just get together all of a sudden and decide that
> > > auction spam is welcome in that newsgroup.)"
> > > ref: http://www.lugnet.com/admin/general/?n=4885
> >
> > One man's spam, is another's lunchean meat.
>
> The reference is to auction posts of any kind, whether they are considered
> spam or not is irrelevant and depends on each individual.
This was my point.
> > > Auction posts of any kind are not welcome in theme groups, and by changing
> > > this, even slightly, you'll cause even more grey areas then are now. Your
> > > suggested rules and restrictions will be very easy to go around
> > > (intentionally
> > > or otherwise) and will cause even more confusion and friction than there is
> > > now.
> >
> > In what way?
>
> I'll quote your original post and reply to that, if you don't mind:
>
> "I suggest the pre-auction announcements should be allowed in all theme
> groups, with the following provisos:
>
> "3. All sets auctioned should be at least 3 years old - this will disallow
> most clearance "box shifters"."
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> Three years might seem like an arbitrary number, and people will argue against
> it... or they'll want to change it to 'any discountinued sets'...
Indeed. But many may consider "box shifters" OK.
>
> "6. The initial post should only have the title "theme_name PRE AUCTION
> ANNOUNCEMENT" - Nothing more."
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> Why?
To allow easy filtering.
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> "7. The auction post and terms should be pre-checked by lugnet.admin.council
> to ensure it is "fair" & complies with points 1 to 6."
>
> By doing this you're generating unneccessary work. The council is intended to
> clarify grey areas and discuss topics that the community is unsure of - not to
> check every auction announcement that comes up.
>
> The 'rules'/provisos that you suggest will only cause more confusion. The more
> complicated the rules you put on, the harder it is to enforce them and the
> harder it is for newbies to understand them or the reasoning behind them.
>
> > > I don't see any reason for changing the theme groups' charter. In your
> > > original post, Scott, you did not give one reason for this. Why would we • want
> > > this? If you have reasons, please mention them. Right now, I can't figure • out
> > > any good things coming out of this other than the benefits of private • auction
> > > sellers.
> >
> > To ensure buyers are fully aware of what is available.
>
> If buyers *want* to be aware of what's available, they can consciously go to
> lugnet.market and search whatever they want to find.
>
> > If this change was to
> > come into action, it would put private auctions on a par with private sales.
>
> No, it wouldn't. Sales or sales announcements aren't allowed in theme groups
> either. They are just more tolerated when they *do* occur, and even then they
> are usually directed to b-s-t.
>
> -Shiri
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