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| | | Over the past few days, I have noticed a trend beginning to develop. The sample I base this statement on is small, but nonetheless, something is happening. Twice I have been approached by individuals interested in purchasing items I have listed for (...) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Spam by proxy ? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | Requiring a join as a condition of sale/purchase is certainly legal in my book, but it's not a tactic I would use. Not sure I'd call it wrong, though. Nor is a note to you offering to purchase "spam", per se, Annoying, perhaps, but it doesn't fit (...) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | Re: Spam by proxy ? —Ray Sanders
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| | | | | (...) I don't think I called it illegal (go back and reread my post). Another instance of targeted spam, although in this case, it is cleverly interwoven with a (potential) purchase request. If the offer to purchase is conditioned on signing up for (...) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | Solicitation, but not spam (was Re: Spam by proxy ? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) I read it, thanks. Don't assume I didn't, thanks. Didn't say you called it illegal, merely pointed out that it isn't illegal, for the benefit of those that might think that it is. (...) I agree with your feelings in general, but I just want to (...) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | What is spam? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | [I'm going off on a bit of a tangent here...] (...) I wonder, though -- couldn't such a message theoretically _contain_ "spam" even if the message as a whole isn't considered "spam"? For example, when I see something at the bottom of an email (...) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is spam? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | I'm going to stick by the definition as it's commonly accepted. Spam is unsolicited bulk email. Bulk in that it wasn't written by a human and isn't personal to you. Unsolicited in that you didn't ask for it. A mailing list or distro list that you're (...) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is spam? —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) <nitpick> 'written by a human' notes can be spam. If I get my dirty little hands on an address list, and handwrite a (whatever), then send it to all gazillion of them, it can still qualify as spam. Most of the chain e-mails out there were, at (...) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is spam? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I think it actually _started_ with newsgroups, and has since grown to include mailing lists and other areas. (...) Ah yes, that's a great example! One single message, not necessarily having been bulk e-mailed (but in the recent (...) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is spam? —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) include (...) Yup, that's my memory also. I know lists existed when I started reading newsgroups, but there weren't very many (of course at that time, you could actually read the whole list of newsgroups also, (...) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is spam? —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) I would say an advertisement appended to every message sent by a list or whatever would be SPAM. To some extent, the little "here's our web page, and this is how you unsubscribe" which is appended to every message on the lists that I manage is (...) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is spam? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) And I wouldn't. Be careful of meme dilution. That advert is a "message from our sponsor" during a program you chose to watch. It's not spam. Mail the sponsor sends you because you didn't check the "I don't want mail" box (or because the ToS (...) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is spam? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hmm. Hmm. Not according to the Jargon File[1]. :) (What definitive reference are you using?) I think it's safe to say it is _an_ accepted definition, though! :) --Todd [1] (URL) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is spam? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) That one, but I was working from memory. (...) OK. I yield. It is AN accepted definition, not THE accepted definition. Most of the things we think of as spam are covered by senses 3,4 and 5 of their def. That includes mail you didn't ask for, (...) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | Re: Spam by proxy ? —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) Well, this isn't truly a MLM thing like Amway (or All Advantage for that matter). This is a one time, person A gets person B to sign up for X.com or Paypal, and person A makes some amount of money for that happening. Person B could get 100 (...) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | Re: Spam by proxy ? —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | (...) Just a nit-pick, I really have nothing else of value to add to this discussion... Spam doesn't need to be bulk-mailed to be spam. Spam is unsolicited commercial e-mail (UCE). A one-off mailing is spam, just like the 100,000-message runs. The (...) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | Re: Spam by proxy ? —Frank Filz
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| | | | Sproaticus wrote in message <38AEFCE0.76021D39@io.com>... (...) NO! At least originally, spam had nothing to do with whether it was commercial or not. It was ANY new posting sent to a large list of newsgroups (I don't think it even necessarily has (...) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | Re: Spam by proxy ? —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | (...) I'm going by the definition as seen on news.admin.net-abuse.* . But see below... (...) Ah, the Monty Python definition. Very well then, by that meter (1), spam is any bulk news-posting and, by extention, any bulk e-mailing. Note that not all (...) (25 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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