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(...) I'm frankly sick of reading all this, but just because I'm not posting doesn't mean I don't have an opinion. My opinion, briefly: Scott has a history of this, but I am inclined to believe he just might have made a quick, poorly worded post (...) (24 years ago, 18-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Your (b) sounded reasonable. (...) OK, this has become a Real Problem. --Todd (24 years ago, 18-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) [...] (...) I would be willing to be on this panel. Frank (24 years ago, 18-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I'm not going to answer your whole letter, I don't participate in .auction and won't get involved too much, but let me get these straight: (...) What bickering exactly do you mean? I don't really see what you're talking about, unless it's on (...) (24 years ago, 18-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.castle)
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(...) I think he's talking about the discussions on the map and stuff I was having with Craig. I must admit, at times, we didn't sound totally pleasent. :( Anyway (and Craig, I'd e-mail this to you if my server wasn't down), I've decided to wait (...) (24 years ago, 18-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.castle)
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(...) and (...) I'm glad you decided that. Craig and Pawel can't really explain exactly what they have without the graphics (1) and the rest. It's obviously going to be something bigger than we can imagine without it, so it's best to wait and see (...) (24 years ago, 18-Feb-00, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) I must have missed the clearing up, then. All I saw was some pretty harsh words, or maybe they seemed more harsh than they were, in light of all this other mess. Still to harsh for LUGNET, imo. (24 years ago, 18-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.castle)
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(...) You're right. I thought they were too much as well. Which was why I wrote this: (URL) which Jeff answered with an apology about the harsh words he had said: (URL) replied to that with an apology as well: (URL) hope this won't repeat itself (...) (24 years ago, 18-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.castle)
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(...) i mutually saw fit to continue privately. :-) jeff honors me with his patience and cooperation. his (sometimes harsh) criticism keeps me on my toes, and is as an important contribution to Castle World as shiri's faith, wisdom, and constant (...) (24 years ago, 18-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.castle)
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(...) Me too. Don't expect to see much posting from me the next week, though, we are closing, packing packing packing... moving moving... unpacking unpacking... In fact, factoring will probably fall behind a bit too. (24 years ago, 18-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) and (...) I (and others) need to be careful about what we write, because it may not seem harsh at the time of writing. (...) "...a three hour tour..." :) *fwap* *fwap* *fwap* Okay, okay! I'll stop quoting annoying songs! :) (...) Yeah, me too! (...) (24 years ago, 18-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.castle)
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(...) Yeah, just make sure it's constructive criticsm! (Gosh, I hate how that sounds in English...) (...) Thanks! I can't help sticking in some wise-cracks here and there, in real life I don't get much chances to shine... I'm normally overlooked as (...) (24 years ago, 18-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.castle)
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(...) As would I. I guess we'd be two ends of a spectrum. :D eric (24 years ago, 18-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I did a bit of back-reading on this topic, especially: (URL) I get the feeling that: a) Todd expects some form of LUGNET community regulation. b) Todd is *waiting* for us to self-organise, in the spirit that such an endeavour should happen as (...) (24 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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snip (...) Floria???.where's that well my first ever bona-fide castles creation is under way.its a dark dingy cave but hey its mine(my creation not my room but it is kinda dark in there.... ravi (24 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.castle)
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(...) I meant Florida... I seem to make many typos lately... (tired I guess) (...) LOL! Let us know when you have pics! -Shiri (24 years ago, 19-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.castle)
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(...) There's a problem with this. The theoretical panel has to inherit "power" from Todd. Right now, Todd is the only admin. Not only that, but he's the owner. I'm sure we've all seen posts that read, "Well, I might not agree, but it's Todd's (...) (24 years ago, 20-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yep, point (b) was an extension of point (a).. see below. (...) Yep, I didn't mean to sound in any way disrespectful, as in assuming authority from Todd. What I meant is that I don't think that Todd is going to say "This is what is going to (...) (24 years ago, 20-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Oh, I didn't mean to imply that was what you were trying to say. I was just trying to point out one of the roadblocks to the community actually self-organising. (...) Totally agreed. (...) True. But we've taken several steps- someone suggested (...) (24 years ago, 20-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Probably creating a new group... oooh say, admin.council would raise visibility ;-) Richard (24 years ago, 20-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Heh. It suuure would. eric (24 years ago, 20-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Eric says that we can't wrest authority away from Todd. Yes, I agree. However... If we come up with a clear proposal, well thought out, that's workable and that allows for some veto by Todd in extremis, I believe he will vest us with that authority. (...) (24 years ago, 20-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I've been following this discussion with interest, it's very informative to watch a community go through a growing pain (which Lugnet is currently doing, IMHO), even a community I'm part of. Mostly just stating that I strongly concur that (...) (24 years ago, 20-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I'll happily second Frank (if he's willing!) :) Richard (24 years ago, 20-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Richard Franks wrote in message ... (...) Not sure I want to necessarily chair the council, currently I have time because things are directionless at work, but that seems to be changing. I guess I do have time to see this thing started, and once (...) (24 years ago, 20-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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All in favor? I think Frank just got himself a chair. (1) Rereading my post 2 refs back it looks like I was saying I'd be chair if asked. What I actually meant was I'd be a committee member if asked. 1 - Seriously... step one in organizing a (...) (24 years ago, 20-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.council)
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(...) I've been watching this discussion over the past few days. Mainly because my name popped up in a proportion of the posts - the reasons for which are clear. It is apparent to me that if .council is to work (ie discuss, deliberate, arbitrate, (...) (24 years ago, 21-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.council)
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(...) Good point. If you infer that I was invited you would be correct... It's not my place to reveal who else Todd invited, it's Todd's, so you'll have to take my word for this, but I do know who he invited, at least in the first round, and I would (...) (24 years ago, 21-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.council)
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(...) that (...) base (...) to (...) I did not mean to infer, but I did assume it to be the case. (...) You include yourself in this? :-) I must admit, I find this whole development rather interesting. I anticipate that, if LUGNet continues to grow, (...) (24 years ago, 21-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.council)
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(...) Well I *did* say "most". :-) But yes, I consider myself highly regarded by at least one member of the community. Me. FUT off-topic.fun (24 years ago, 21-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.council, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote in article <38B07471.4ED1A93E@v...er.net>... (...) Ummmmm...... isn't 'appointing' a council somewhat contrary to the way that Todd has always run LUGNET? (at least so far as I've seen in the last year+) It (...) (24 years ago, 21-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) No, it's not intended to be a private council, unless someone takes something off-line personally on their own accord unofficially. Anyone is still also welcome to participate in the discussions (offering opinions, raising concerns, making (...) (24 years ago, 22-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Whoops, that probably sounds contradictory. What I mean is that stuff should IMHO be discussed openly in the .admin.council group -- there shouldn't be any hush-hush secret stuff going on in the background. If something's being discussed (...) (24 years ago, 22-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in article <FqB237.Aqu@lugnet.com>... (...) that (...) way (...) something (...) also (...) Ooops, I guess I should have been a bit more clear in my questioning. I meant that it seems as though the selection (...) (24 years ago, 22-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) delicate (...) large (...) forth (...) citizen (...) I think Allan was suggesting voting on who the council members were. This might be reasonable, but perhaps is best handled the way many organizations handle (...) (24 years ago, 22-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) On a hunch: It's because, especially in a small community (which Lugnet still is), democracy doesn't necessarily bring the best people to the table. I've worked with a number of small special interest groups(1), and it's very easy for an (...) (24 years ago, 22-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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James Brown <galliard@shades-of-night.com> wrote in article <FqB4M3.KH4@lugnet.com>... (...) suggesting (...) be (...) become (...) to (...) still (...) I've (...) easy (...) blatantly, (...) job, (...) Well, using that logic, if the best person (...) (24 years ago, 22-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Well, they can. But why? More on this below... (...) Hmm. I think you missed the gist of my point. People who want to do it are not necessarily the same people that Todd & Suzanne want doing, or are comfortable working with. (...) I'm not (...) (24 years ago, 22-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Think of it as an external 'nother brain (this time a collective one) making recommendations taken very seriously rather than purely acting on behalf of. Think of it as what happens in a corporation or organization when someone is hired to (...) (24 years ago, 22-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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James Brown <galliard@shades-of-night.com> wrote in article <FqB9J7.Hos@lugnet.com>... (...) in (...) want (...) which (...) their (...) nomination (...) the (...) are (...) I caught your point entirely. I've cut our conversation from above and (...) (24 years ago, 22-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I think that may have been a misunderstanding though - the thread was trying to nominate someone who would recieve ideas on what the council should do, how it should work, how it should be planned. But I agree - things are moving fast - the (...) (24 years ago, 22-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.council)
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(...) Ok. Looks like it was me who misunderstood. :) I guess I'm just coming at this from a perspective of "why vote if we don't have to?" The .council group is an open forum, so everyone is still able to bring an opinion forward; IMHO, Todd's just (...) (24 years ago, 22-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Well it could take a while-my dads confirmed that he's getting a digicam-only hasn't said when. I'm also gonna be tied up cleaning up a pristine but dusty (ambiguity alert) 5590 which a bouch from a friend @ school-its model team but it was (...) (24 years ago, 22-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.castle)
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