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| | | (...) I have a question - and it echos (URL) post> that went unanswered/ignored. What was done to the people who baited and flamed? To me thier actions were far worse than Eric's. It seems that the trolls, baiters and flamers got away scott free. (...) (19 years ago, 7-Apr-06, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX) !!
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| | | | | Re: lowering noise —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | (...) I was looking in this (URL) past thread> and couldn't find the bit where you called for yourself to be banned in it? Perhaps you could point me to the correct posts. Although perhaps you don't consider that flaming? I'll tell you what though, (...) (19 years ago, 7-Apr-06, to lugnet.people, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: lowering noise —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | (...) Actually, that's not what I consider flaming. The tone was respectful, and seemed to be mostly looking for information. It would be nice if more disagreements were conducted in this type of format. (...) Yes, it does become difficult. That's (...) (19 years ago, 7-Apr-06, to lugnet.people, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: lowering noise —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | (...) I don't consider it respectful and nor did Todd or Lenny from what I could see. I find the whole thread very distasteful and would be very unhappy to see more like it. Out of interest do you find (URL) this post> respectful? (...) If Mark had (...) (19 years ago, 7-Apr-06, to lugnet.people, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: lowering noise —Maggie Cambron
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| | | | | | (...) I hadn't seen that thread, but having just looked at it I have to agree with Kelly-- Mark was not flaming at all. In the post you cite above I sense Mark's frustration at the reaction he got from his question, which, while perhaps indelicate, (...) (19 years ago, 8-Apr-06, to lugnet.people, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: lowering noise —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | (...) I find this interesting. I obviously have a different opinion of what constitutes flaming. Calling people "lackeys" seems like flaming to me. As does comparing them to "Baghdad Bob". Could you explain to me why this is not flaming? On a (...) (19 years ago, 8-Apr-06, to lugnet.people, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: lowering noise —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | (...) I won't speak for Mark, as I know he's perfectly capable of speaking clearly for himself. The question originally posed by Frank was echoed by Mark, and I find myself wondering the same thing. I think you and I are having two separate (...) (19 years ago, 8-Apr-06, to lugnet.people, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: lowering noise —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | (...) I don't find myself wondering it because, as I have said, perceptions of trolling etc. are dependent on personal perception whereas Eric's original breach was not. It is the same for where one directs posts (marketplace ads being a specific (...) (19 years ago, 8-Apr-06, to lugnet.people, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: lowering noise —Maggie Cambron
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| | | | | | (...) No, I agree with you that he should not have said "Baghdad Bob" and that it serves no good purpose to call someone a lackey. But of *all* the instances of provocation that have occurred over the years on Lugnet I would say this is very minor, (...) (19 years ago, 8-Apr-06, to lugnet.people, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: lowering noise —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | --SNIP-- (...) I wouldn't. I would find it very offensive to be called a lackey after telling someone off for something very rude (hijacking a singles ad post to make an argument). (...) You have derided the same things as Mark and now defend him, (...) (19 years ago, 8-Apr-06, to lugnet.people, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: lowering noise —Mark Papenfuss
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| | | | | (...) You know, I had a big reply I was about to post, but that I thought of what (URL) Suz said:> "Know when to drop it. Some people have a difficult time quitting arguments. Either they're afraid of losing face, they insist on having the last (...) (19 years ago, 8-Apr-06, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: lowering noise —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | | | | (...) It seemed to me he was trying to show a percieved double standard. While I do disagree with the use of the term "flaming" here in this thread (I consider flaming to be a post in order to denigrate another individual openly and and for no (...) (19 years ago, 8-Apr-06, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: lowering noise —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | Hi Jeff, --SNIP-- (...) Thanks. You've summed up almost exactly what I meant much better than I did.... with one slight exception: the above statement is not strictly true. While it was a secondary intent it was certainly not my primary intent to (...) (19 years ago, 8-Apr-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: lowering noise —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | (...) Yes I should. I've just woken up (in the morning sense, not the metaphorical sense) enough to realise that my continued posting in this subthread is every bit as bad as your starting of it. Unless I see something I really disagree with I will (...) (19 years ago, 8-Apr-06, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: lowering noise —Suzanne Rich Green
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| | | | | | (...) Thanks Tim, Mark, and Jeff for resolving this. -Suz (19 years ago, 8-Apr-06, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: lowering noise —Andrew Bulthaupt
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| | | | | (...) I don't see Mark pursuing 'an agenda' here at all, I see him following up on a perfectly reasonable question that wasn't answered initially. Here are his exact words: "What was done to the people who baited and flamed?" He goes on to say he (...) (19 years ago, 8-Apr-06, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: lowering noise —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | (...) Jeff Stembel summed up my motives for response very well (better than I have so far) in his (URL) response> to Mark so I won't bother trying to explain them again. (...) I'm a bit suspicious as to why we are getting so many admins from BZPower (...) (19 years ago, 8-Apr-06, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: lowering noise —Suzanne Rich Green
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| | | | (...) Mark, I'm sorry I didn't have time last night to formulate a proper reply to this. I sort of went to bed thinking about how best to explain my view to Frank.. Now I'll reply to his post directly. But here I just want to state that I didn't (...) (19 years ago, 8-Apr-06, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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