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(snip)
This is a fairly radical opinion, I guess, but I'm not convinced that the 9V
track is one of the "key" pieces to keep in production in old dark grey. I know
it's different but frankly, this is an area where reality DOES vary. Railroads
replace ties all the time, and ties weather at different rates, even concrete
ones.
Personally, I think the detail parts are as important, or more important, than
the bulk bricks... although bulk bricks matter too!
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"Larry Pieniazek" <larry.(mylastname)@ascentialsoftwareDOTcom> wrote in
message news:Hx91Ap.Cx9@lugnet.com...
> (snip)
>
> This is a fairly radical opinion, I guess, but I'm not convinced that the • 9V
> track is one of the "key" pieces to keep in production in old dark grey. I • know
> it's different but frankly, this is an area where reality DOES vary. • Railroads
> replace ties all the time, and ties weather at different rates, even • concrete
> ones.
Hmm, if we're going to do anything with the track, how about brown? New
brown would be fine. Black would work also.
Of course more and more track these days is being laid on concrete ties,
even in the US.
> Personally, I think the detail parts are as important, or more important, • than
> the bulk bricks... although bulk bricks matter too!
My problem with the whole bit is that you need a wide selection of parts.
What I would actually most like to see is parts in the old colors that were
not released. I haven't decided yet to buy any of the brick packs (which
means they'll probably sell out before I decide to - oh well, I probably
have enough grey brick to last me for a while).
I'm not sure where my buying is going to go in the future. I expect to be
buying a lot less, but that's as much because my collection has reached a
size that it's hard to deal with. The color changes will probably mean that
some future projects will die still born because they either depend on old
parts that will never be available in the new colors (for example, old style
hinges), or require a diversity of parts that won't exist in the new colors
for several years, or require a quantity of brick that makes it impossible
to do with the new colors with my current budget, and requires more of some
part than I currently have in the old colors. Some of the projects may be
doable by buying off BrickLink, but the prices of old color parts are going
to start to skyrocket.
So mostly I've been staying quiet on the color change because honestly, all
I can do is grumble. The only thing I can promise that would make me happy
is to revert to the old colors, but that's not going to happen. So I spend
my energy thinking about other stuff.
Actually, to be honest, right now I'm more bugged by the flesh tone minifigs
than the other color changes. I do tend to buy one of each new set in the
themes I'm interested in, but I see myself buying far fewer of the Harry
Potter and Spiderman sets than I would have in the past. I know I'm never
going to have the diversity of minifig heads in flesh tones that I will have
in yellow, so I just can't imagine using the "Caucasian" heads (the brown
ones I at least feel like I can use even though they will mean a dramatic
minority). What's even more bothersome is that some torsos have flesh tone
printing, which means they will look funny if I swap out the hands and head
for yellow.
On the bright side, minifigs is where I least mind the new colors, though
the "metallic" greys do look a little funny for tweed suits and feathers and
such...
Sigh.
Frank
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> (snip)
> Personally, I think the detail parts are as important, or more important, than
> the bulk bricks... although bulk bricks matter too!
What kind of detail parts? I'm hoping to put together a list that I can pass
along.
Thanks!
Jake
---
Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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"Frank Filz" <ffilz-lists@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:Hx922u.IIp@lugnet.com...
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>
> Actually, to be honest, right now I'm more bugged by the flesh tone • minifigs
> than the other color changes. I do tend to buy one of each new set in the
> themes I'm interested in, but I see myself buying far fewer of the Harry
> Potter and Spiderman sets than I would have in the past. I know I'm never
> going to have the diversity of minifig heads in flesh tones that I will • have
> in yellow, so I just can't imagine using the "Caucasian" heads (the brown
> ones I at least feel like I can use even though they will mean a dramatic
> minority). What's even more bothersome is that some torsos have flesh tone
> printing, which means they will look funny if I swap out the hands and • head
> for yellow.
[ ... snipped ... ]
We had a similar conversation at the NCLTC GATS show a couple of weeks ago.
I don't care for the flesh colored minifigs either. They look "odd" after
seeing yellow LEGO people for all of these years.
The thing that concerns me the most about the flesh colored minifigs is the
bigger chance that someone will build something without intending to offend
someone yet someone will be offended. We never had that issue when all of
the figs were the same color. Maybe I'm a bit old fashioned but I like all
my LEGO people as classic smileys.
Mike
--
Mike Walsh - mike_walsh at mindspring.com
http://www.ncltc.cc - North Carolina LEGO Train Club
http://www.carolinatrainbuilders.com - Carolina Train Builders
http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=mpw - CTB/Brick Depot
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
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What kind of detail parts? I’m hoping to put together a list that I can pass
along.
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Headlight bricks
1x1 round bricks
basic plates & bricks in various sizes (as
Ted mentioned)
1x1x2 brick with
hinge
arches - 1x6, 1x6x2, 1x4, 1x8x2, 1x5x4, 1x3, 1x12x3
windows - 1x4x3 (brown) and the 1x2x2 2/3 with rounded top (all 3)
Parts like that could help us a lot.
Jason Spears | BrickCentral | MichLUG
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > (snip)
>
> > Personally, I think the detail parts are as important, or more important, than
> > the bulk bricks... although bulk bricks matter too!
>
> What kind of detail parts? I'm hoping to put together a list that I can pass
> along.
Mostly the modified plates and bricks that give you good greeblization.
The plate-modifieds for starters...
1x1 plate with clips (all three kinds),
1x2 plates with handles, with rods, with offset studs
1x2 tile with rod, 1x2 tile with one stud
The 1x2 grille tiles
The 1x2 grille bricks
1x2-1x4 brackets
1x1 brick with side stud (headlight or washing machine brick)
1x1 round brick, 2x2 round brick and plate, 2x2 macaroni brick
Rod system stuff.
The antennas and rods in various sizes
Stuff like that. Non theme specific but useful for detail.
More later if I have time, kinda heads down at my client right now (in NJ
actually, rather than MA where I thought I'd be the rest of the week)
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"Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote in message
news:Hx92GJ.LJy@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > (snip)
>
> > Personally, I think the detail parts are as important, or more • important, than
> > the bulk bricks... although bulk bricks matter too!
>
> What kind of detail parts? I'm hoping to put together a list that I can • pass
> along.
Hmm, the problem is that there are probably >1000 parts that really need to
be available in a color to allow good flexibility in creation.
That would be an interesting task, what is the minimum palette of pieces for
a color to really be worthwhile to use? There are probably several palettes
depending on type of construction (for example, sculptures can be done with
a palette with less than 10 bricks, though 20-30 is probably nicer).
Frank
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In lugnet.general, Frank Filz wrote:
>
> "Larry Pieniazek" <larry.(mylastname)@ascentialsoftwareDOTcom> wrote in
> message news:Hx91Ap.Cx9@lugnet.com...
> > (snip)
> >
> > This is a fairly radical opinion, I guess, but I'm not convinced that the 9V
> > track is one of the "key" pieces to keep in production in old dark grey. I know
> > it's different but frankly, this is an area where reality DOES vary. Railroads
> > replace ties all the time, and ties weather at different rates, even concrete
> > ones.
>
> Hmm, if we're going to do anything with the track, how about brown? New
> brown would be fine. Black would work also.
>
> Of course more and more track these days is being laid on concrete ties,
> even in the US.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo! Chocolate brown track would be a total disaster!
The track colour should emulate reality. Old dark grey for steel, old light
grey for concrete or old brown for wood, but the new colours are totally
unsuitable.
Any change to the track at all, shape or colour, would be a total disaster. It
cost me £2000 (almost $4000) to change from 12V to 9V in 1996, plus overcoming
the lack of power in the new system etc...
Train track must stay the same, with anything new as an addition, never a
replacement. Either that or TLC will have to give me $5000!
Mark
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In lugnet.general, Mark Bellis wrote:
> Train track must stay the same, with anything new as an addition, never a
> replacement. Either that or TLC will have to give me $5000!
Why? I hear the WHINE, but I'm not hearing the WHY. WHY is this important,
compared to other things (assume you're making a priority list here)
Track varies in color in real life. It just *doesn't* make a high priority list
of things in my view. If you have a ship or a vehicle or a building (non stone,
that is, a painted grey building that you're modeling) where some parts are OFF,
that looks a *lot* more jarring than having some ties different colors...
LEGO doesn't owe you (or any other consumer) anything merely because you bought
stuff from them in the past, unless you had some specific contract.
If you don't like their policies, vote with your wallet, but it seriously
degrades your argument to say that LEGO owes you 5000 USD or whatever because
they made a product change, and you're enabling execs to tune you right out. Why
give them that excuse? Don't foam!
To Frank's point, I don't think you need 3000 different parts but you do need
50-100 different detail parts.
I forgot hinges in my last post, the 2x2 -1x4 brick and plate, the 1x2 brick
slant top, the 2 finger - 3 finger hinges, the roof plate, wagon tailgate etc
etc 5 finger hinges and so on...
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What kind of detail parts? I’m hoping to put together a list that I can pass
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Well, you said “you can’t say ‘the whole range of parts!’”, so leave out this:
 and make
all of the remaining parts available in the old colours. Make them also
available not only in special bulk sets but in every set* you (TLC) is going to
release. So everybody will be able to participate in the good old colours and
the poor kids that can’t buy their LEGO-needs on the internet are not going to
be discriminated.
Thanks!
Jojo
.* and yes, I’m aware what I’m saying here.
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> LEGO doesn't owe you (or any other consumer) anything merely because you bought
> stuff from them in the past, unless you had some specific contract.
That's your point of view - the consumer buys a product from LEGO.
Other's point of view - the consumer buys a product from LEGO which
belongs to SYSTEM.
--
Jindroush <jindroush@nospam.seznam.nospam.cz>
Remove both 'nospam's from the address to reply.
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In lugnet.general, Jindrich Kubec wrote:
> Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > LEGO doesn't owe you (or any other consumer) anything merely because you bought
> > stuff from them in the past, unless you had some specific contract.
>
> That's your point of view - the consumer buys a product from LEGO.
> Other's point of view - the consumer buys a product from LEGO which
> belongs to SYSTEM.
It's more than just *my* point of view, it's the law, at least in the US.
There is typically no implied warranty of suitability to purpose or fitness that
is attached to any good sold here. You would need an express warranty to have
any rights, which, if I am not mistaken, LEGO hasn't given, w.r.t. colors. In
fact LEGO, (as do many manufacturers) no doubt explicitly reserves the right to
make changes in specifications without prior notice as it deems necessary.
So saying "the company owes me 5000 USD" is hogwash, in my view, and dilutive of
getting anything resolved, especially when *requested* not to go there in this
thread.
I'd rather see a prioritised list of parts that need to be made in the old
colors developed than debate, yet again, why changing the colors was a Bad Idea.
It was, but the company owes *no one* anything over it, except as it chooses to
grant in order to retain customer loyalty. I think it made a foolish change, I
think it should value our loyalty a lot, I think it should take big steps to
undo this change and ameliorate it and I can make a business case why it's a
good idea but the company doesn't HAVE to if it doesn't want to.
So again, why track over, say 1x1 headlight bricks. Why 48x48 baseplates over
1x2 slant top hinges? Why BURPs over 1x4x3 windows?
Track and baseplates come out low on my priority list. Baseplates represent
poured concrete or ground, not metal or painted surfaces. Ground color varies.
Rock color varies. Tie color varies. None of that matters as much as
metal/painted details
Sure, I'd like it all. Sure I wish it never changed. But a prioritised list was
asked for.
Justify your priority, give a business case, say why your item matters more than
mine, that's what you should do, not foam about what LEGO owes you.
If I had more time I'd write this a bit softer, I guess, but I don't.
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"Larry Pieniazek" <larry.(mylastname)@ascentialsoftwareDOTcom> wrote in
message news:Hx93pr.vHI@lugnet.com...
> To Frank's point, I don't think you need 3000 different parts but you do • need
> 50-100 different detail parts.
>
> I forgot hinges in my last post, the 2x2 -1x4 brick and plate, the 1x2 • brick
> slant top, the 2 finger - 3 finger hinges, the roof plate, wagon tailgate • etc
> etc 5 finger hinges and so on...
I bet if you add this up, and add a good brick selection, you wind up in the
several hundred parts range.
Other "detail" parts to add: windows and doors
That's why I'd love to see some real attempt made to work out some good
parts palettes.
I think they're both bigger and smaller than we might think (for example, my
suggestion that you can probably do well with about 10 different bricks for
sculptures).
Frank
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In lugnet.general, Frank Filz wrote:
> ...but the prices of old color parts are going to start to skyrocket.
Maybe.. but perhaps not. In some cases, BL sellers may have sufficient stock of
older sets that they are waiting for things to sort out a bit. As an analogy..
some oil wells remain idle until the crude trading reaches a certain level. I
think somethng similar may apply here. When certain thresholds are crossed,
previously unknown stock of certain parts may appear.
Ray
fut to .market.theory
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"Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote in message
news:Hx92GJ.LJy@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > (snip)
>
> > Personally, I think the detail parts are as important, or more • important, than
> > the bulk bricks... although bulk bricks matter too!
>
> What kind of detail parts? I'm hoping to put together a list that I can • pass
> along.
>
> Thanks!
> Jake
>
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
1 x 1 headlight bricks
1 x 2 jumper plates
But Jake already knows this - I've been nagging for decent bulk amounts of
those two pieces for as long as I can remember! ; )
I'm surprised no-one has mentioned technic pins yet, especially as LEGO are
making most of them in blue and tan now.
Personally, I'd like to see some of the discontinued parts such as 1 x 2
hinge plates (NON Clicky of course!).
Richard.
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
<snip>
>
> Justify your priority, give a business case, say why your item matters more than
> mine, that's what you should do, not foam about what LEGO owes you.
>
> If I had more time I'd write this a bit softer, I guess, but I don't.
See, you sit around long enuf and it shows up :)
Anyway, I completely agree with Larry--when you buy something, you own what you
purchased, but that does not, in any way, shape or form imply that the company
that sold the product to you cannot change the product, or even cancel the
product at some point in the future.
I mean, I love the 'old' Crest toothpaste (the non-minty kind). Been buying it
for years. Try to fon a non-minty Crest toothpaste that isn't directed at kids
these days--as far as I can see, it can't be done. Does P&G 'owe me' all my
money that I spent on the 'old' Crest?
A more permanent thing--I like the '57 Chevy. Can I demand that the Chevrolet
Motor Company retool their lines so I can buy one of these? They made it at one
point in their history--do I have the right to buy a new one 50ish years later?
Work within the guidelines set up by Jake--let him know what pieces you want to
remain in the 'old colour'. He's doing his job to the best of his ability and,
imho, doing an excellent job.
If there is a rant, please take it to another thread.
Dave K
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In lugnet.general, Richard Morton wrote:
>
>
>
> "Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote in message
> news:Hx92GJ.LJy@lugnet.com...
> > In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > (snip)
> >
> > > Personally, I think the detail parts are as important, or more important, than
> > > the bulk bricks... although bulk bricks matter too!
> >
> > What kind of detail parts? I'm hoping to put together a list that I can pass
> > along.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Jake
> >
> > ---
> > Jake McKee
> > Community Liaison
> > LEGO Community Development
>
>
> 1 x 1 headlight bricks
> 1 x 2 jumper plates
>
> But Jake already knows this - I've been nagging for decent bulk amounts of
> those two pieces for as long as I can remember! ; )
>
> I'm surprised no-one has mentioned technic pins yet, especially as LEGO are
> making most of them in blue and tan now.
>
> Personally, I'd like to see some of the discontinued parts such as 1 x 2
> hinge plates (NON Clicky of course!).
>
> Richard.
Technic pins are generally hidden from view; their colors rarely matter (sole
exception I've seen: the penny flag last year, where white technic pins were
stars in the US Flag).
Technic connectors, on the other hand... I look through my entire collection,
and I don't think I have all 6 angle connectors in any single color.
John
John
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Mark Bellis wrote:
>
> > Train track must stay the same, with anything new as an addition, never a
> > replacement. Either that or TLC will have to give me $5000!
>
> Why? I hear the WHINE, but I'm not hearing the WHY. WHY is this important,
> compared to other things (assume you're making a priority list here)
>
> Track varies in color in real life. It just *doesn't* make a high priority list
> of things in my view. If you have a ship or a vehicle or a building (non stone,
> that is, a painted grey building that you're modeling) where some parts are OFF,
> that looks a *lot* more jarring than having some ties different colors...
I'm just eager that the track should not change *again*. OK, new light grey
would be OK, and new dark grey tolerable at a push (it makes old dark grey look
silly) but given that track pieces are some of the most expensive ones, changing
them costs the consumer a lot of money. As long as compatibility is maintained
then OK. The track geometry debate belongs elsewhere!
> If you don't like their policies, vote with your wallet, but it seriously
> degrades your argument to say that LEGO owes you 5000 USD or whatever because
> they made a product change, and you're enabling execs to tune you right out. Why
> give them that excuse? Don't foam!
>
> LEGO doesn't owe you (or any other consumer) anything merely because you bought
> stuff from them in the past, unless you had some specific contract.
The $5000 was tongue in cheek, though the previous cost of changing *to* the 9V
system was a true figure. If I have to be much more pessimistic in my
expectations of obsolescence of Lego pieces, I might have to find another hobby!
I fully realise that no-one owes me anything on the products I've bought, but
the feeling of it being in extremely bad faith won't go away. The figure was
given as the estimated cost of replacing all my train-specific parts, if that
were ever necessary.
In the meantime, fulfilling the original request, other parts that should stay
in old colours include the two cliff scenery chunks from castle sets and the
pieces to make SNOT (hinges, brackets, bricks with studs on the side etc...), as
well as bricks, plates and tiles.
Mark
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In lugnet.general, Mike Walsh wrote:
>
> "Frank Filz" <ffilz-lists@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:Hx922u.IIp@lugnet.com...
>
> [ ... snipped ... ]
>
> >
> > Actually, to be honest, right now I'm more bugged by the flesh tone minifigs
> > than the other color changes. I do tend to buy one of each new set in the
> > themes I'm interested in, but I see myself buying far fewer of the Harry
> > Potter and Spiderman sets than I would have in the past. I know I'm never
> > going to have the diversity of minifig heads in flesh tones that I will have
> > in yellow, so I just can't imagine using the "Caucasian" heads (the brown
> > ones I at least feel like I can use even though they will mean a dramatic
> > minority). What's even more bothersome is that some torsos have flesh tone
> > printing, which means they will look funny if I swap out the hands and head
> > for yellow.
>
>
> [ ... snipped ... ]
>
> We had a similar conversation at the NCLTC GATS show a couple of weeks ago.
> I don't care for the flesh colored minifigs either. They look "odd" after
> seeing yellow LEGO people for all of these years.
>
> The thing that concerns me the most about the flesh colored minifigs is the
> bigger chance that someone will build something without intending to offend
> someone yet someone will be offended. We never had that issue when all of
> the figs were the same color. Maybe I'm a bit old fashioned but I like all
> my LEGO people as classic smileys.
>
> Mike
I like my Lego people as classic yellow smilies too. I don't really like the new
minifigs with different expressions and stuff. I like them yellow, smiling and
maybe with sunglasses or a pirate face. But then I'm a 1970s-mid-90s kinda
gal... ;0)
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> (snip)
>
> This is a fairly radical opinion, I guess, but I'm not convinced that the 9V
> track is one of the "key" pieces to keep in production in old dark grey. I know
> it's different but frankly, this is an area where reality DOES vary. Railroads
> replace ties all the time, and ties weather at different rates, even concrete
> ones.
You HAVE to be joking.... there's NO railroad tie, either wood, concrete or
whatever other material that has such a blue tone in it. They'd even do better
to simply convert it to brown than to use the new dark grey color.
--
Jan-Albert van Ree
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Well ideally they would just go back to making everything in the original
colors. I really wanted to like the new Spiderman and Harry Potter sets too.
The mini-Star Destroyer set really irks me though. The perfect space accessory
pack ruined by new neon grey. Anyway back to the topic at hand...
> > > (snip)
> >
> > > Personally, I think the detail parts are as important, or more important, than
> > > the bulk bricks... although bulk bricks matter too!
> >
> > What kind of detail parts? I'm hoping to put together a list that I can pass
> > along.
>
> Mostly the modified plates and bricks that give you good greeblization.
I agree the specialized yet still generic non-theme specific parts are the most
useful aside from basic bricks.
> The plate-modifieds for starters...
>
> 1x1 plate with clips (all three kinds),
> 1x2 plates with handles, with rods, with offset studs
> 1x2 tile with rod, 1x2 tile with one stud
>
> The 1x2 grille tiles
> The 1x2 grille bricks
>
> 1x2-1x4 brackets
> 1x1 brick with side stud (headlight or washing machine brick)
> 1x1 round brick, 2x2 round brick and plate, 2x2 macaroni brick
>
> Rod system stuff.
> The antennas and rods in various sizes
>
> Stuff like that. Non theme specific but useful for detail.
>
> More later if I have time, kinda heads down at my client right now (in NJ
> actually, rather than MA where I thought I'd be the rest of the week)
The only other thing I would add is 1x1 brick with 4 side studs and the similar
1x2 "rocket" multi-stud piece. (I would like the old space jet with 1x2 plate
but only if the above was done first. Of course placing them end to end could
look interesting on a castle or town building too.)
-Mike Petrucelli
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Frank, I'm surprised you didn't mention one of the brown parts we love: Ship
hulls. The primary problems with the new colors is that the new greys look like
metal, not stone. In the same way, the old brown looks like wood.
But a chocolate-colored barrel? What the heck?
Boat hulls pieces, barrels, doors, rigging, cannon bases, treasure chests...
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In lugnet.general, Wesley Davis wrote:
> Frank, I'm surprised you didn't mention one of the brown parts we love: Ship
> hulls. The primary problems with the new colors is that the new greys look like
> metal, not stone. In the same way, the old brown looks like wood.
>
> But a chocolate-colored barrel? What the heck?
>
> Boat hulls pieces, barrels, doors, rigging, cannon bases, treasure chests...
Yes, old brown is wood, new brown is chocolate, sadly as much use for realistic
modelling as a chocolate teapot. Rather edible looking too :)
Mark
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
<snip>
> I'd rather see a prioritised list of parts that need to be made in the old
> colors developed than debate, yet again, why changing the colors was a Bad Idea.
Then why debate? You have continued this conversation far longer than it needs
to be. Maybe one response if you really feel the urge, but honestly, I felt his
claim that Lego owes him money so absurd that it really didn't merit further
debate, and here I am reading your _second_ reply and you are against debating!
Truely, you are only giving his arguement more weight because readers of your
posts have to think about it one more time.
> If I had more time I'd write this a bit softer, I guess, but I don't.
I wonder where you get any time to write all the volumes you have written here
and in other lists. Seriously.
-Alfred
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In lugnet.general, Richard Morton wrote:
> I'm surprised no-one has mentioned technic pins yet, especially as LEGO are
> making most of them in blue and tan now.
They're just making the two axle-pins in blue (friction) and tan (non-friction).
That's bad enough. The only pin that's ever been made in dark-grey is the 1.5
pin, and light-bley is close enough to light-grey that what few pins they'll
actually make in that color shouldn't stick out too much.
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote:
> > In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > (snip)
> >
> > > Personally, I think the detail parts are as important, or more important, than
> > > the bulk bricks... although bulk bricks matter too!
> >
> > What kind of detail parts? I'm hoping to put together a list that I can pass
> > along.
>
> Mostly the modified plates and bricks that give you good greeblization.
>
> The plate-modifieds for starters...
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> 1x1 plate with clips (all three kinds),
> 1x2 plates with handles, with rods, with offset studs
> 1x2 tile with rod, 1x2 tile with one stud
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> The 1x2 grille tiles
> The 1x2 grille bricks
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> 1x2-1x4 brackets
> 1x1 brick with side stud (headlight or washing machine brick)
> 1x1 round brick, 2x2 round brick and plate, 2x2 macaroni brick
>
> Rod system stuff.
> The antennas and rods in various sizes
>
> Stuff like that. Non theme specific but useful for detail.
>
> More later if I have time, kinda heads down at my client right now (in NJ
> actually, rather than MA where I thought I'd be the rest of the week)
It is my unresearched opinion that the Bracket 1x2 - 1x4 2436 has NEVER appeared
in dark gray. Perhaps that's a quality that could nudge it up in the list?
Constantine
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In lugnet.general, John Riley wrote:
> Technic pins are generally hidden from view; their colors rarely matter (sole
> exception I've seen: the penny flag last year, where white technic pins were
> stars in the US Flag).
They're usually hidden enough that light-bley shouldn't matter, but even just
the pin tips on the blue/tan axle-pins stick out pretty bad compared to the old
black/light-grey versions. Build a red TECHNIC creation and you'll see what I'm
talking about.
> Technic connectors, on the other hand... I look through my entire
> collection, and I don't think I have all 6 angle connectors in any single
> color.
I know I've got all six in black and white (SW TECHNIC sets are pretty good for
that, between DV/3PO and R2/Stormie), but that appears to be it. I'm missing
the #2 dark-grey and #6 light-grey, or I'd have both of those colors in all six
shapes. Green, red and yellow exist in all six shapes, but I don't have more
than three shapes in any one color (and I only have four of those shapes because
I picked them up on the secondary market).
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In lugnet.general, Constantine Hannaher wrote:
> It is my unresearched opinion that the Bracket 1x2 - 1x4 2436 has NEVER
> appeared in dark gray. Perhaps that's a quality that could nudge it up in
> the list?
Peeron supports your opinion. If we're getting into unproduced pieces, I've got
a MOC that is now on permanent hiatus because I need four of these in classic
light-grey:
http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=x140
I bought a bunch of pieces to complete the MOC, and I've just recently
discovered that they don't exist. I ordered the only four listed, and I can
tell you that those are not the pieces I got.
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In lugnet.general, Frank Filz wrote:
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> "Larry Pieniazek" <larry.(mylastname)@ascentialsoftwareDOTcom> wrote in
> message news:Hx91Ap.Cx9@lugnet.com...
> > (snip)
> >
> > This is a fairly radical opinion, I guess, but I'm not convinced that the 9V
> > track is one of the "key" pieces to keep in production in old dark grey. I know
> > it's different but frankly, this is an area where reality DOES vary. Railroads
> > replace ties all the time, and ties weather at different rates, even concrete
> > ones.
>
> Hmm, if we're going to do anything with the track, how about brown? New
> brown would be fine. Black would work also.
SNIP
Would that be "Classic" brown or the new "Universal" Mega-Blok looking brown?
-Ken
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<SNIPPAGE>
> The $5000 was tongue in cheek, though the previous cost of changing *to* • the 9V
> system was a true figure. If I have to be much more pessimistic in my
> expectations of obsolescence of Lego pieces, I might have to find another • hobby!
> I fully realise that no-one owes me anything on the products I've bought, • but
> the feeling of it being in extremely bad faith won't go away. The figure • was
> given as the estimated cost of replacing all my train-specific parts, if • that
> were ever necessary.
> Mark
I'm sorry, I just don't get this, When I look at a train layout, I'm not
looking at the damn track... I'm looking at what's running on the track.
And when you think about it, the 'consumer' is a far distance from being
able to see the actual color of the track. Now if the color was changing to
purple or some hot pink color, I'd say we'd be able to see the difference
from a distance.
If the track can stay the old dark grey, than every part can stay that
color. That's just not fair in my mind, we all have parts we've spent lots
of money on that we want to have continuity with building. I've tried to
embrace the change best as possible, and have actually gotten some of the
new sets (x-pods and Designer only) I don't have enough to build anything
with the new colors yet to totally rule them out. Though I have to say,
hearing that track will/might stay dr. grey really made me think this
through again... and made me pretty upset about the whole mess. I think
almost more than the inital shock of the whole deal.
I'm sorry, when it comes to this change, right now I feel it's all or
nothing, it's not fair to give one group what they want and not the rest of
us. I can understand doing a limited run of the track now like you did with
the bricks and when they are gone, they are gone just like for the rest of
us.
Tamy
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In lugnet.general, Johannes Koehler wrote:
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Hello!
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What kind of detail parts? I’m hoping to put together a list that I can pass
along.
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Well, you said “you can’t say ‘the whole range of parts!’”, so leave out
this:
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Crap - that is the only piece that I really care about! ;)
-mark
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