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Man, I can't believe the stuff that's going on.
Somebody (BrickFair) is not revealing enough about money, and somebody is else
watching out to make sure nobody gets rich off organizing an AFOL event (a
hilarious concept to anybody of us who have actually organized something like
this). Somebody else (Joe) is revealing too much about money. Somebody else (Joe
again) is getting hassled for wanting to produce a fan magazine and maybe even
make some money off it.
Go to an event if you think the admission price is right and you want to have
fun. Don't go if the price is too high and if you're just going to be a stick in
the mud. Look - if AFOL events end up putting their organizers in debt, then
there won't be any AFOL events.
Same thing with Brick Journal. Buy the magazine if you think it's worth it.
Don't buy the magazine if you think the price is too high. Brick Journal is
Joe's baby, and he has visions for it. If your visions for a fan magazine are
different, then get to work and create it.
Holy cow. Stop criticizing the work of others. The BrickFair people and Joe are
our brothers (and sisters?) in the AFOL community. I want them to succeed. We're
not in competition with each other, folks.
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In lugnet.events, Duane Collicott wrote:
> Man, I can't believe the stuff that's going on.
>
> Somebody (BrickFair) is not revealing enough about money, and somebody is else
> watching out to make sure nobody gets rich off organizing an AFOL event (a
> hilarious concept to anybody of us who have actually organized something like
> this). Somebody else (Joe) is revealing too much about money. Somebody else (Joe
> again) is getting hassled for wanting to produce a fan magazine and maybe even
> make some money off it.
>
> Go to an event if you think the admission price is right and you want to have
> fun. Don't go if the price is too high and if you're just going to be a stick in
> the mud. Look - if AFOL events end up putting their organizers in debt, then
> there won't be any AFOL events.
>
> Same thing with Brick Journal. Buy the magazine if you think it's worth it.
> Don't buy the magazine if you think the price is too high. Brick Journal is
> Joe's baby, and he has visions for it. If your visions for a fan magazine are
> different, then get to work and create it.
>
> Holy cow. Stop criticizing the work of others. The BrickFair people and Joe are
> our brothers (and sisters?) in the AFOL community. I want them to succeed. We're
> not in competition with each other, folks.
AMEN. Nuff said.
M
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In lugnet.events, Duane Collicott wrote:
--snip good rant--
This
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In lugnet.events, Duane Collicott wrote:
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Man, I can’t believe the stuff that’s going on.
Somebody (BrickFair) is not revealing enough about money, and somebody is else
watching out to make sure nobody gets rich off organizing an AFOL event (a
hilarious concept to anybody of us who have actually organized something like
this).
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http://news.lugnet.com/events/?n=2051
The total profit that went to BrickJournal Media LLC was about $13,000. This is
in addition to the $3,000 that went to AMH Productions for use of the BrickFest
name, as determined by an agreement that was signed in December 2005. It should
be noted that this profit came from public day reciepts.
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Somebody else (Joe) is revealing too much about money. Somebody else (Joe
again) is getting hassled for wanting to produce a fan magazine and maybe
even make some money off it.
Go to an event if you think the admission price is right and you want to have
fun. Don’t go if the price is too high and if you’re just going to be a stick
in the mud. Look - if AFOL events end up putting their organizers in debt,
then there won’t be any AFOL events.
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It’s a false argument that organizers of AFOL events must be compensated in
order for any events to take place. I don’t believe anyone received any
compensation for the first two (?) Brickfests - events at which I and many other
AFOLs had a great time. And here’s a non-LEGO example of a
huge event run without compensation:
Are Otakorp, Inc.‘s officers paid?
No. All of our officers must be volunteers, and may not receive material
compensation for their efforts on behalf of the organization. In accordance with
usual practices for officers of a corporation, they are eligible to be
compensated for travel expenses, but in practice this seldom happens.
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Same thing with Brick Journal. Buy the magazine if you think it’s worth it.
Don’t buy the magazine if you think the price is too high. Brick Journal is
Joe’s baby, and he has visions for it. If your visions for a fan magazine are
different, then get to work and create it.
Holy cow. Stop criticizing the work of others. The BrickFair people and Joe
are our brothers (and sisters?) in the AFOL community. I want them to succeed.
We’re not in competition with each other, folks.
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Please read my post again. Does anything
in it sound like criticism? Are we allowed to ask any questions of the
organizers of AFOL events?
As far as I’m concerned, I had a very polite and helpful exchange with the
organizer of Brickfair 2008, which resulted in potentially useful information
being posted for the edification of fellow AFOLs. What’s the problem?
Marc Nelson Jr.
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In lugnet.events, Duane Collicott wrote:
> Man, I can't believe the stuff that's going on.
>
> Somebody (BrickFair) is not revealing enough about money, and somebody is else
> watching out to make sure nobody gets rich off organizing an AFOL event (a
> hilarious concept to anybody of us who have actually organized something like
> this). Somebody else (Joe) is revealing too much about money. Somebody else (Joe
> again) is getting hassled for wanting to produce a fan magazine and maybe even
> make some money off it.
>
> Go to an event if you think the admission price is right and you want to have
> fun. Don't go if the price is too high and if you're just going to be a stick in
> the mud. Look - if AFOL events end up putting their organizers in debt, then
> there won't be any AFOL events.
>
> Same thing with Brick Journal. Buy the magazine if you think it's worth it.
> Don't buy the magazine if you think the price is too high. Brick Journal is
> Joe's baby, and he has visions for it. If your visions for a fan magazine are
> different, then get to work and create it.
>
> Holy cow. Stop criticizing the work of others. The BrickFair people and Joe are
> our brothers (and sisters?) in the AFOL community. I want them to succeed. We're
> not in competition with each other, folks.
Duane, brother, let me break it down for you:
I want my free image hosting! (screw you Kevin)
I want my free magazine! (screw you Joe)
I want my free fest! (screw you Christina, Joe, Wayne, Steve, and anyone else
who's ever operated a fest that wasn't free.)
On that note.
I want some free Lego!
I want some free swag!
I want some free beer!
Meno, get me a beer!
-Keith
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--snip--
> On that note.
>
> I want some free Lego!
> I want some free swag!
> I want some free beer!
>
>
> Meno, get me a beer!
>
> -Keith
Don't you get free beer in Vegas? Or do you mean special LEGO brewed beer?
Tim
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In lugnet.events, Duane Collicott wrote:
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Man, I can’t believe the stuff that’s going on.
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Me either!!!!!
ROSCO
FUT: o-t.fun
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In lugnet.events, Timothy Gould wrote:
> --snip--
>
> > On that note.
> >
> > I want some free Lego!
> > I want some free swag!
> > I want some free beer!
> >
> >
> > Meno, get me a beer!
> >
> > -Keith
>
> Don't you get free beer in Vegas? Or do you mean special LEGO brewed beer?
>
> Tim
Would they sere it in a Beer Steine?
--Tony
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In lugnet.events, Keith Goldman wrote:
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Duane, brother, let me break it down for you:
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I want my free image hosting! (screw you Kevin) I want my free
magazine! (screw you Joe) I want my free fest! (screw you Christina,
Joe, Wayne, Steve, and anyone else who’s ever operated a fest that
wasn’t free.)
On that note.
I want some free Lego!
I want some free swag!
I want some free beer!
Meno, get me a beer!
-Keith
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Keith, two words for you: “Brick Bash” (http://www.brickbash.com). It’s Free.
It’s in March. It’s in Ann Arbor, MI. It has free pizza. And, special just for
you, the beer is on me.
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In lugnet.events, Keith Goldman wrote:
(snip)
> Duane, brother, let me break it down for you:
>
> I want my free image hosting! (screw you Kevin)
> I want my free magazine! (screw you Joe)
> I want my free fest! (screw you Christina, Joe, Wayne, Steve, and anyone else
> who's ever operated a fest that wasn't free.)
>
> On that note.
>
> I want some free Lego!
> I want some free swag!
> I want some free beer!
>
>
> Meno, get me a beer!
>
> -Keith
Do I get a tip?
Joe (I get screwed TWICE???)
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In lugnet.events, Timothy Gould wrote:
> --snip--
>
> > On that note.
> >
> > I want some free Lego!
> > I want some free swag!
> > I want some free beer!
> >
> >
> > Meno, get me a beer!
> >
> > -Keith
>
> Don't you get free beer in Vegas? Or do you mean special LEGO brewed beer?
>
> Tim
You only get free beer if you feed the machines. I like to feed my own
machines.
I just mean B E E R, damn your questions!
Meno! Where is my beer!
-Keith
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In lugnet.events, Duane Collicott wrote:
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In lugnet.events, Keith Goldman wrote:
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Duane, brother, let me break it down for you:
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I want my free image hosting! (screw you Kevin) I want my free
magazine! (screw you Joe) I want my free fest! (screw you Christina,
Joe, Wayne, Steve, and anyone else who’s ever operated a fest that
wasn’t free.)
On that note.
I want some free Lego!
I want some free swag!
I want some free beer!
Meno, get me a beer!
-Keith
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Keith, two words for you: “Brick Bash” (http://www.brickbash.com). It’s
Free. It’s in March. It’s in Ann Arbor, MI. It has free pizza. And, special
just for you, the beer is on me.
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You might want to see my standard contract before extending that offer. The
stipulations include:
#17. No green M&M’s in my complimentary bowl of M&M’s
#102. No remote controlled trains
#44. A fog machine to be used upon my entrance to both the main hall and the
brick bazaar.
#3. All appropriate KeithLUG signage.
#4. A staff-crier to call out “Keith has left the building”, as appropriate.
#211. A plan for my burial if I tell my wife I’m going to more than one fest in
a callendar year.
Thanks though...the beer is almost enough to make me risk #211
-Keith
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In lugnet.events, Joe Meno wrote:
> In lugnet.events, Keith Goldman wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
> > Duane, brother, let me break it down for you:
> >
> > I want my free image hosting! (screw you Kevin)
> > I want my free magazine! (screw you Joe)
> > I want my free fest! (screw you Christina, Joe, Wayne, Steve, and anyone else
> > who's ever operated a fest that wasn't free.)
> >
> > On that note.
> >
> > I want some free Lego!
> > I want some free swag!
> > I want some free beer!
> >
> >
> > Meno, get me a beer!
> >
> > -Keith
>
> Do I get a tip?
>
> Joe (I get screwed TWICE???)
Do you get a tip?....
HOW BAD DO YOU WANT TO LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE !?!?!!!!?!?
What a thread! A show with everything except Eric Sophie!
-Keith
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In lugnet.events, Keith Goldman wrote:
> In lugnet.events, Timothy Gould wrote:
> > --snip--
> >
> > > On that note.
> > >
> > > I want some free Lego!
> > > I want some free swag!
> > > I want some free beer!
> > >
> > >
> > > Meno, get me a beer!
> > >
> > > -Keith
> >
> > Don't you get free beer in Vegas? Or do you mean special LEGO brewed beer?
> >
> > Tim
>
> You only get free beer if you feed the machines. I like to feed my own
> machines.
>
> I just mean B E E R, damn your questions!
>
> Meno! Where is my beer!
Where's my tip???
Joe
> -Keith
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In lugnet.events, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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As far as I’m concerned, I had a very polite and helpful exchange with the
organizer of Brickfair 2008, which resulted in potentially useful information
being posted for the edification of fellow AFOLs. What’s the problem?
Marc Nelson Jr.
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If you have no intent on going to the event, it’s none of your business. Pun
intended.
-Remy
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In lugnet.events, Joe Meno wrote:
> In lugnet.events, Keith Goldman wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
> > Duane, brother, let me break it down for you:
> >
> > I want my free image hosting! (screw you Kevin)
> > I want my free magazine! (screw you Joe)
> > I want my free fest! (screw you Christina, Joe, Wayne, Steve, and anyone else
> > who's ever operated a fest that wasn't free.)
> >
> > On that note.
> >
> > I want some free Lego!
> > I want some free swag!
> > I want some free beer!
> >
> >
> > Meno, get me a beer!
> >
> > -Keith
>
> Do I get a tip?
Get a haircut.
> Joe (I get screwed TWICE???)
I'm sure Keith will be gentle.
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In lugnet.events, Duane Collicott wrote:
> > On that note...
> > I want some free Lego!
> > I want some free swag!
> > I want some free beer!
> >
> > Meno, get me a beer!
>
> Keith, two words for you: "Brick Bash" (<http://www.brickbash.com>). It's
> Free. It's in March. It's in Ann Arbor, MI. It has free pizza. And, special
> just for you, the beer is on me.
Sadly, you guys all missed out on a wonderful event called "House of Bricks".
Yes, we had LEGO and played. We also had slave auctions (ask Felix), free
movies, ADD pirates, hot women in leather and corsets (and other things), hot
men in leather (but no corsets... well, not at the parties I went to), and some
really... amazing... after-hours parties. Filk singing. Art auctions. A vendors
room with comics, talks with notable science fiction and fantasy stars. A lot of
alchohol (so I'm told). Not to mention shooting Joe Meno with robots, trashing
world-class MOCs by pushing them off the table (with, again, robots), lots of
alchohol, shooting Joe with Zamor spheres, GBCs, trains, all-night build
sessions, using zamor shooters to hit Joe, oh, and yes, the entire convention
essentially going banckrupt when one member of the board ran away with all the
money... and a good time was still had (at least by us).
Oh, and autonomous robots that could target large objects and shoot them with
official LEGO... normally, this seemed to involve Joe and Zamor spheres, if
memory serves.
:-)
--
Brian "missing Circe in a corset" Davis
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In lugnet.events, Brian Davis wrote:
> Sadly, you guys all missed out on a wonderful event called "House of Bricks".
> Yes, we had LEGO and played. We also had slave auctions (ask Felix), free
> movies, ADD pirates, hot women in leather and corsets (and other things), hot
> men in leather (but no corsets... well, not at the parties I went to), and some
> really... amazing... after-hours parties. Filk singing. Art auctions. A vendors
> room with comics, talks with notable science fiction and fantasy stars. A lot of
> alchohol (so I'm told). Not to mention shooting Joe Meno with robots, trashing
> world-class MOCs by pushing them off the table (with, again, robots), lots of
> alchohol, shooting Joe with Zamor spheres, GBCs, trains, all-night build
> sessions, using zamor shooters to hit Joe, oh, and yes, the entire convention
> essentially going banckrupt when one member of the board ran away with all the
> money... and a good time was still had (at least by us).
>
> Oh, and autonomous robots that could target large objects and shoot them with
> official LEGO... normally, this seemed to involve Joe and Zamor spheres, if
> memory serves.
>
> :-)
I didn't miss it... well, I was there with my wife and family, so I did miss out
on the corsets, dangit.
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In lugnet.events, Keith Goldman wrote:
> In lugnet.events, Duane Collicott wrote:
> > Man, I can't believe the stuff that's going on.
> >
> > Somebody (BrickFair) is not revealing enough about money, and somebody is else
> > watching out to make sure nobody gets rich off organizing an AFOL event (a
> > hilarious concept to anybody of us who have actually organized something like
> > this). Somebody else (Joe) is revealing too much about money. Somebody else (Joe
> > again) is getting hassled for wanting to produce a fan magazine and maybe even
> > make some money off it.
> >
> > Go to an event if you think the admission price is right and you want to have
> > fun. Don't go if the price is too high and if you're just going to be a stick in
> > the mud. Look - if AFOL events end up putting their organizers in debt, then
> > there won't be any AFOL events.
> >
> > Same thing with Brick Journal. Buy the magazine if you think it's worth it.
> > Don't buy the magazine if you think the price is too high. Brick Journal is
> > Joe's baby, and he has visions for it. If your visions for a fan magazine are
> > different, then get to work and create it.
> >
> > Holy cow. Stop criticizing the work of others. The BrickFair people and Joe are
> > our brothers (and sisters?) in the AFOL community. I want them to succeed. We're
> > not in competition with each other, folks.
>
> Duane, brother, let me break it down for you:
>
> I want my free image hosting! (screw you Kevin)
> I want my free magazine! (screw you Joe)
> I want my free fest! (screw you Christina, Joe, Wayne, Steve, and anyone else
> who's ever operated a fest that wasn't free.)
>
> On that note.
>
> I want some free Lego!
> I want some free swag!
> I want some free beer!
>
>
> Meno, get me a beer!
>
> -Keith
As long as we're putting up straw men...
I want my free labor (screw you, event volunteers)!
I want my free public displays (screw you, builders)!
I want my free articles and images (screw you, magazine contributors)!
Why is it noble to take money for other people's efforts, but mean-spirited to
ask where that money is going?
Marc Nelson Jr.
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In lugnet.events, Duane Collicott wrote:
> I didn't miss it... well, I was there with my wife and family,
> so I did miss out on the corsets, dangit.
I know you were there... how could I ever forget this guy I'd never seen before,
building a *huge* bridge out over all the delicate GBC stuff I was nursing in
it's shadow? As to the corset, don't feel bad - it was at the next years HoB,
and I actually did get pictures (she was trying it on so I could show my wife
the sizing... honest! *Yes*, I did show my wife the pictures!!).
Don't worry too much about missing shooting at Joe Meno - I'll try to make that
an event at every fest I see him at ;-).
--
Brian Davis
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In lugnet.events, Brian Davis wrote:
> In lugnet.events, Duane Collicott wrote:
>
> > I didn't miss it... well, I was there with my wife and family,
> > so I did miss out on the corsets, dangit.
>
> I know you were there... how could I ever forget this guy I'd never seen before,
> building a *huge* bridge out over all the delicate GBC stuff I was nursing in
> it's shadow? As to the corset, don't feel bad - it was at the next years HoB,
> and I actually did get pictures (she was trying it on so I could show my wife
> the sizing... honest! *Yes*, I did show my wife the pictures!!).
You have pictures:-)?? (wow, that sounded odd)
>
> Don't worry too much about missing shooting at Joe Meno - I'll try to make that
> an event at every fest I see him at ;-).
That was funny...and embarrassing.
That said, the best memory of HoB for me that year was walking into the NXT room
after con hours the first night - while everyone else is drinking, there is
literally a room where there were people working in a home-brewed Skunk Works
-it was really neat to watch and learn.
The next best memory was the year before seeing the first public GBC. And
watching this bridge slowly overtake its table in the background.
Joe
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cut**
Bit of a stretch here:
> As long as we're putting up straw men...
>
> I want my free labor (screw you, event volunteers)!
> I want my free public displays (screw you, builders)!
> I want my free articles and images (screw you, magazine contributors)!
>
> Why is it noble to take money for other people's efforts, but mean-spirited to
> ask where that money is going?
>
> Marc Nelson Jr.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
vol·un·teer [vol-uhn-teer] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a person who voluntarily offers himself or herself for a service or undertaking.
2. a person who performs a service willingly and without pay
Dictionary.com
"Screw":
19. to coerce or threaten.
20. to extract or extort.
21. to force (a seller) to lower a price (often fol. by down).
22. Slang. to cheat or take advantage of (someone)
27. to practice extortion
So by definition, it is kind of hard to "screw" event volunteers as they are by
definition under no obligation (except their own self-imposed one) to
participate.
You cannot screw the builders as the builders voluntarily bring their MOCs and
there is no requirement to bring something in order to participate. If they do
not get compensation enough from simply showing and sharing them with others,
then they do not have to bring them. They do so voluntarily. And they also get a
venue to display their stuff for free. Many art museums and galleries or
contests charge the artist for display space. Many are juried and are therefore
exclusionary. I know of no AFOL event that requires a prior jury to be able to
display a MOC.
And you cannot screw the writers as they also do so voluntarily. The writer who
gets published does get a form of compensation simply by the act of being
published. (and the accolades of all those who enjoy their work). Not bad for a
portfolio either.
Tommy Armstrong
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In lugnet.events, Steve Hassenplug wrote:
> At 02:20 AM 10/19/07, Joe Meno wrote:
> > That said, the best memory of HoB for me that year was walking into
> > the NXT room
>
> That would be my hotel room...
>
> > after con hours the first night - while everyone else is drinking, there is
> > literally a room where there were people working in a home-brewed Skunk Works
> > -it was really neat to watch and learn.
>
> We had just been to the LEGO store, and actually purchased... Bionicals!?
>
> Mostly, so we could spend the next day shooting Joe. :)
The things I do for the community:-)
>
>
> I think someone (Mike) suggested having a gathering where things are
> built on the spot. The real down-side I see is figuring out what
> parts are used to build things. If I were to go to such an event,
> I'd want to use a much different collection of parts, than an average
> train or space builder.
Mike's idea is basically like that. He addresses your downside in a really neat
way.
> This year, at Brickworld, I spent Saturday night building a robot for
> one of the competitions. It was a lot of fun just sitting in the
> main ballroom, building with a couple other people. (that's what we
> did at HoB).
Building a Cafe Corner module was pretty fun at Brickworld.
> I think that kind of event could be fun.
I'd be up for it!
Joe
>
> Steve
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In lugnet.events, Joe Meno wrote:
> The next best memory was the year before seeing the first public GBC. And
> watching this bridge slowly overtake its table in the background.
>
> Joe
By the way.... the big white bridge will be making another appearnace. It's
currently on display at COSI Toledo (a childrens science museum in Toledo, OH),
but in the spring it will be removed from there and reassembled at BrickWorld
2008.
It could be its final appearance anywhere. I'm getting really tired of setting
that thing up.
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In lugnet.events, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
> In lugnet.events, Keith Goldman wrote:
> > In lugnet.events, Duane Collicott wrote:
> > > Man, I can't believe the stuff that's going on.
> > >
> > > Somebody (BrickFair) is not revealing enough about money, and somebody is else
> > > watching out to make sure nobody gets rich off organizing an AFOL event (a
> > > hilarious concept to anybody of us who have actually organized something like
> > > this). Somebody else (Joe) is revealing too much about money. Somebody else (Joe
> > > again) is getting hassled for wanting to produce a fan magazine and maybe even
> > > make some money off it.
> > >
> > > Go to an event if you think the admission price is right and you want to have
> > > fun. Don't go if the price is too high and if you're just going to be a stick in
> > > the mud. Look - if AFOL events end up putting their organizers in debt, then
> > > there won't be any AFOL events.
> > >
> > > Same thing with Brick Journal. Buy the magazine if you think it's worth it.
> > > Don't buy the magazine if you think the price is too high. Brick Journal is
> > > Joe's baby, and he has visions for it. If your visions for a fan magazine are
> > > different, then get to work and create it.
> > >
> > > Holy cow. Stop criticizing the work of others. The BrickFair people and Joe are
> > > our brothers (and sisters?) in the AFOL community. I want them to succeed. We're
> > > not in competition with each other, folks.
> >
> > Duane, brother, let me break it down for you:
> >
> > I want my free image hosting! (screw you Kevin)
> > I want my free magazine! (screw you Joe)
> > I want my free fest! (screw you Christina, Joe, Wayne, Steve, and anyone else
> > who's ever operated a fest that wasn't free.)
> >
> > On that note.
> >
> > I want some free Lego!
> > I want some free swag!
> > I want some free beer!
> >
> >
> > Meno, get me a beer!
> >
> > -Keith
>
> As long as we're putting up straw men...
>
> I want my free labor (screw you, event volunteers)!
> I want my free public displays (screw you, builders)!
> I want my free articles and images (screw you, magazine contributors)!
>
> Why is it noble to take money for other people's efforts, but mean-spirited to
> ask where that money is going?
>
> Marc Nelson Jr.
Volunteers usually get swag, and get what they ask for by volunteering (a good
feeling, the kudos of their peers, whatever).
Builders are mostly single manchildren who should feel lucky to get to interact
with Women, real Women...in a public setting, where they have an idiot-proof
excuse to talk about themselves.
Magazine contributors?....hmm...I'm willing to bet they are in league with
lucifer, or at the very least the federal government, and as such should not be
taken seriously.
I never said you were mean spirited Marc Nelson Jr. In fact, I wasn't thinking
of you at all. I thought there was a bitchy undertone to the BrickJournal9
thread, and I also thought Duane's post was funny enough to comment on.
Therefore I added my admittedly useless 2 cents. I was just jumping on the
sarcasm bandwagon.
-Keith
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> What a thread! A show with everything except Eric Sophie!
>
> -Keith
Dude, was that even necessary? He's been minding his own business. Just leave
him be already.
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Amen, brother. Though, I have heard a rumor that Joe is looking at property in
the Hamptons and that he might attend Brickworld via a private jet. Mind you,
these are just rumors.
F
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In lugnet.events, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
> Why is it noble to take money for other people's efforts, but mean-spirited to ask where that money is going?
Maybe it's just none of their God-damned business to know where the money is
going.
Hey, Keith - If you ever come to my house, I'll split my keg with ya. ;)
"Big Daddy" Nelson
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In lugnet.events, Fradel D. Gonzales wrote:
> >
> > What a thread! A show with everything except Eric Sophie!
> >
> > -Keith
>
> Dude, was that even necessary? He's been minding his own business. Just leave
> him be already.
I guess I should have said Yul Brenner? Did anyone get that?
"Leave him be" ??? You've been watching too many westerns. I bet you the last
person to take offense to that would be Eric Sophie. Of all the things I've
said to him online and upfront, that's waaaaay down the list of things to be
offended by. Sophie is, and always will be...a magnificent bastard.
-Keith
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At 02:20 AM 10/19/07, Joe Meno wrote:
> That said, the best memory of HoB for me that year was walking into
> the NXT room
That would be my hotel room...
> after con hours the first night - while everyone else is drinking, there is
> literally a room where there were people working in a home-brewed Skunk Works
> -it was really neat to watch and learn.
We had just been to the LEGO store, and actually purchased... Bionicals!?
Mostly, so we could spend the next day shooting Joe. :)
I think someone (Mike) suggested having a gathering where things are
built on the spot. The real down-side I see is figuring out what
parts are used to build things. If I were to go to such an event,
I'd want to use a much different collection of parts, than an average
train or space builder.
This year, at Brickworld, I spent Saturday night building a robot for
one of the competitions. It was a lot of fun just sitting in the
main ballroom, building with a couple other people. (that's what we
did at HoB).
I think that kind of event could be fun.
Steve
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In lugnet.events, Keith Goldman wrote:
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In lugnet.events, Fradel D. Gonzales wrote:
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What a thread! A show with everything except Eric Sophie!
-Keith
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Dude, was that even necessary? He’s been minding his own business. Just
leave him be already.
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I guess I should have said Yul Brenner? Did anyone get that?
“Leave him be” ??? You’ve been watching too many westerns. I bet you the
last person to take offense to that would be Eric Sophie. Of all the things
I’ve said to him online and upfront, that’s waaaaay down the list of things to
be offended by. Sophie is, and always will be...a magnificent bastard.
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I understand Fradel’s concern-- envoking Eric’s name is tantamount to using the
“N” word.... kinda volatile, especially in the hands of a smackpro like
yourself;-) The “e” word?
hehe-- “Yul Brenner”. I resemble that comment!
Well, ‘nuf said. I’m off to cap myself.
JOHN
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In lugnet.events, Remy Eagan wrote:
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In lugnet.events, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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As far as I’m concerned, I had a very polite and helpful exchange with the
organizer of Brickfair 2008, which resulted in potentially useful
information being posted for the edification of fellow AFOLs. What’s the
problem?
Marc Nelson Jr.
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If you have no intent on going to the event, it’s none of your business. Pun
intended.
-Remy
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Dang. I wish I had more SPF protection ‘cause even I could feel that burn over
here on the West Coast.
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In lugnet.events, Keith Goldman wrote:
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In lugnet.events, Duane Collicott wrote:
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In lugnet.events, Keith Goldman wrote:
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Duane, brother, let me break it down for you:
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You might want to see my standard contract before extending that offer. The
stipulations include:
#17. No green M&M’s in my complimentary bowl of M&M’s
#102. No remote controlled trains
#44. A fog machine to be used upon my entrance to both the main hall and the
brick bazaar.
#3. All appropriate KeithLUG signage.
#4. A staff-crier to call out “Keith has left the building”, as appropriate.
#211. A plan for my burial if I tell my wife I’m going to more than one fest
in a callendar year.
Thanks though...the beer is almost enough to make me risk #211
-Keith
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Don’t forget doors large enough for him to fit his head through. >:o
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In lugnet.events, Nelson Yrizarry wrote:
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In lugnet.events, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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Why is it noble to take money for other people’s efforts, but mean-spirited
to ask where that money is going?
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Maybe it’s just none of their God-damned business to know where the money is
going.
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As my questions have already been fully answered, I’m not going to waste any
more time defending myself for having asked them except to note that
not
everyone
agrees
with
you, Nelson.
In any event, the answers for BrickFair
2008 are out there, and people can read them and make their own decisions.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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In lugnet.events, Fradel D. Gonzales wrote:
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Dang. I wish I had more SPF protection ‘cause even I could feel that burn
over here on the West Coast.
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Good one!
JOHN
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In lugnet.events, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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In lugnet.events, Nelson Yrizarry wrote:
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In lugnet.events, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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Why is it noble to take money for other people’s efforts, but mean-spirited
to ask where that money is going?
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Maybe it’s just none of their God-damned business to know where the money is
going.
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As my questions have already been fully answered, I’m not going to waste any
more time defending myself for having asked them except to note that
not
everyone
agrees
with
you, Nelson.
In any event, the answers for
BrickFair 2008 are out there, and people can read them and make their own
decisions.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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Great. So now everything’s up front, as opposed to back-ended, your usual MO.
Stick a fork in my @$$ and turn me. I’m done.
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I wish everybody would refrain from spotlighting these flame and anti-flame
threads, and alow such efforts to sink where they belong, into oblivian.
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Okay - catching up on this portion of the posting tree...
1) As I recall, I was the one that got Circe in the corsett in the first place
for all of you guys to ogle...(Brian, you still owe me the picture)
2) As I recall, it wasn't just Steve's hotel room...It was my hotel room,
John's hotel room and Brian Davis' hotel room too.
3) As I recall, I abandoned the skunk works in favor of lots of alcohol and a
slave auction (Matt and I almost won the two women - nameless, but hot)...thanks
Fradel for driving to the liquor store that night :)
Okay...what happens at HoB, stays at HoB...
B
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Duane,
I am always amazed when someone writes a post criticizing others for speaking
out and putting in their 2 cents and then calls for others to stop speaking out.
I realize that many 'Fest attendees think it is none of their business where the
money goes and that they should vote with their attendance. I however, have
personal experience with a 'Fest where the organizer absconded with the money
and the vendors never got paid. The actions of that one individual put a black
mark on the AFOL community and as such no event has taken place in that city
since. Do you remember BricksWest?
I was one of the volunteers and organizers of that event and allowed one
individual to control the purse strings. I allowed myself to be placated by
reassurances that everything was being "taken care of." Well, I and a few other
organizers lost our innocence that day and I resolved never to be that naïve
again.
So you and other organizers of ‘Fests on the behalf of the AFOL community must
excuse me and others when we ask basic questions and believe we have a right to
those answers. So here is a few questions I think every organizer of an event
should be willing to answer when they plan an event that will bring the AFOL
community together.
1. Where will the money to hold the event come from and where will it go?
2. Is this a profit making venture? Who among the organizing committee will
profit from the event?
3. Is there a public day? How much for admission? Where will the money from
admission go?
Now for my money, I would like to have answers to these questions before I make
the decision to book a hotel room, purchase a plane ticket, and go to
considerable expense to attend an event. Granted in the past I have attended
events without having all of these answers in place, but I have gone with the
other deciding factor, do I trust the people running the event? But I have also
been an organizer and volunteer to be more privey to these answers.
I love the comparisons people make to other conventions. I worked for a couple
years for a member organization whose stock and trade was their annual
convention. They made millions off the convention and ran the organization the
rest of the year off of it. I remember their anxiety prior to and relief at the
end of each convention when they had the financial resources to survive another
year. Prior to my working for the organization I had attended their conventions
in the past. I had ever realistic expectation that my $200 plus registration fee
was going to profit the organization.
The question is will any AFOL event last if the organizers only have a profit
motive in mind?
I am also intimately aware of another convention, DragonCon, that happens in
Atlanta every year. That Cluster-(Fest) each year leaves me wondering how it
continues from year to year. Those volunteers do not get paid but get a free
room and some eats during the convention and maybe a few drinks. Their reward is
to hob-nob with the celebrities from science fiction and comic books, etc. All
of the money raised for that goes to the convention space, the hotels, and to
bring the celebrities in on an all expense paid trip to Atlanta. Ever year
DragonCon happens I wonder how it keeps from imploding. Between screw ups in
every conceivable way, to absolutely poor management and organization, it is a
wonder the thing comes off at all.
So the next question is without a small to moderate profit incentive for the
organizer/s, how will the AFOL events continue?
I for one, do not have all of the answers, but without knowing up front that the
convention is for profit or not for profit how can I make an informed decision
and vote my approval with or without my attendance?
Respectfully,
Todd
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In lugnet.events, Duane Collicott wrote:
> Man, I can't believe the stuff that's going on.
--Snip--
> We're
> not in competition with each other, folks.
Duane,
Ah, it's a small point, but when you book your convention a month or two in
front of a long established existing convention and then at your first
convention bad mouth that long established existing convention, you are putting
your convention in competition with other folks in the community.
And the "your convention" is used figureatively.
Respectfully,
Todd
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In lugnet.events, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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Please read my post again. Does
anything in it sound like criticism? Are we allowed to ask any questions of
the organizers of AFOL events?
As far as I’m concerned, I had a very polite and helpful exchange with the
organizer of Brickfair 2008, which resulted in potentially useful information
being posted for the edification of fellow AFOLs. What’s the problem?
Marc Nelson Jr.
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Marc,
I agree with you completely. Discussion about these things is good. Closeted
knowledge is bad.
Todd
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In lugnet.events, Todd Thuma wrote:
> Duane,
>
> Ah, it's a small point, but when you book your convention a month or two in
> front of a long established existing convention and then at your first
> convention bad mouth that long established existing convention, you are putting
> your convention in competition with other folks in the community.
>
> And the "your convention" is used figureatively.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Todd
Did I do that?
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In lugnet.events, Todd Thuma wrote:
> Duane,
> ...
> I for one, do not have all of the answers, but without knowing up front that the
> convention is for profit or not for profit how can I make an informed decision
> and vote my approval with or without my attendance?
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Todd
I never thought of it that way. My decision whether to attend fests has always
involved the benefits I will receive from it (fun, community, etc).
The talk and discussion is fine. When I wrote that post, Joe was getting mangled
from multiple directions, and the negativity needed some balancing-out.
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In lugnet.events, Duane Collicott wrote:
> In lugnet.events, Todd Thuma wrote:
> > Duane,
> > ...
> > I for one, do not have all of the answers, but without knowing up front that the
> > convention is for profit or not for profit how can I make an informed decision
> > and vote my approval with or without my attendance?
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Todd
>
> I never thought of it that way. My decision whether to attend fests has always
> involved the benefits I will receive from it (fun, community, etc).
Duane,
I do to! But I am also concerned about the purpose of the event. Had I not
previously been a marginal part of a scandal, I might not have the question of
money formost in my mind, but it is a concern. I have come to call many members
of the community my friends and while I do not write them or call them on a
regular basis, I still think of them often. I trust many of them and do not wish
harm or ill will upon anyone. Organizing a 'Fest is a big responsibility and
much financial risk as other organizers can attest to.
For me the benefits of attending always out way the cost I put into attending.
As the credit card bills come due, I never regret a penny I spend or the
interest I will pay. (Okay there was that one night at that one bar, I regret.
Boy I would like to have the money I spent on those 30 vodkas and tequillas
back.) The point is the money aspect can ruin these conventions for the majority
of us if not considered and discussed.
>
> The talk and discussion is fine. When I wrote that post, Joe was getting mangled
> from multiple directions, and the negativity needed some balancing-out.
Well, I missed that and I appreciate your efforts to balance the discussion. Too
often I feel that people are not able to look at all sides. I debated in High
School, (and many will say all the rest of my life) and I learned to be able to
see both sides of an arguement and debate it successfully. So, yes, I see the
other side from the organizers point of view. It is nobody's business what I do
with the cash for my hard work in organizing the event.
On the flip side, how successful will public day be if no one brings their MOCs?
Do those that go to great expense to bring thousands of dollars worth of MOCs to
a convention deserve to have their efforts used as a profit center for a handful
of organizers without compensation? Or should Public day funds be used simply to
offset the cost of convention facilities to keep the costs low for the
attendees? I, of course, advocate the later of the two points of view.
Sincerely and Respectfully,
Todd
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In lugnet.events, Duane Collicott wrote:
> In lugnet.events, Todd Thuma wrote:
> > Duane,
> >
> > Ah, it's a small point, but when you book your convention a month or two in
> > front of a long established existing convention and then at your first
> > convention bad mouth that long established existing convention, you are putting
> > your convention in competition with other folks in the community.
> >
> > And the "your convention" is used figureatively.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Todd
>
> Did I do that?
Duane,
Sorry poor choice of words. In wrote the statement hurriedly and added the last
sentence in an effort to qualify my statement:
"And the 'your convention' is used figureatively"
If I had more time I might have worded my statement thusly:
"On the topic of competition... There is an undercurrent of competition in the
community. Convention organizers that arrange their convention on dates that
preceed by a month or two a long established convention and then compare their
first convention to that long established convention in a more favorable light,
could be considered by many to be placing their convention in competition with
that long established convention run by others."
My apologies for not being clearer in my previous statement. Editing is such a
rarely practiced bevhaior.
Respectfully,
Todd
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In lugnet.events, Todd Thuma wrote:
> Duane,
>
> I am always amazed when someone writes a post criticizing others for speaking
> out and putting in their 2 cents and then calls for others to stop speaking out.
>
> I realize that many 'Fest attendees think it is none of their business where the
> money goes and that they should vote with their attendance. I however, have
> personal experience with a 'Fest where the organizer absconded with the money
> and the vendors never got paid. The actions of that one individual put a black
> mark on the AFOL community and as such no event has taken place in that city
> since. Do you remember BricksWest?
>
> I was one of the volunteers and organizers of that event and allowed one
> individual to control the purse strings. I allowed myself to be placated by
> reassurances that everything was being "taken care of." Well, I and a few other
> organizers lost our innocence that day and I resolved never to be that naïve
> again.
>
> So you and other organizers of ‘Fests on the behalf of the AFOL community must
> excuse me and others when we ask basic questions and believe we have a right to
> those answers. So here is a few questions I think every organizer of an event
> should be willing to answer when they plan an event that will bring the AFOL
> community together.
>
> 1. Where will the money to hold the event come from and where will it go?
>
> 2. Is this a profit making venture? Who among the organizing committee will
> profit from the event?
>
> 3. Is there a public day? How much for admission? Where will the money from
> admission go?
>
> Now for my money, I would like to have answers to these questions before I make
> the decision to book a hotel room, purchase a plane ticket, and go to
> considerable expense to attend an event. Granted in the past I have attended
> events without having all of these answers in place, but I have gone with the
> other deciding factor, do I trust the people running the event? But I have also
> been an organizer and volunteer to be more privey to these answers.
>
> I love the comparisons people make to other conventions. I worked for a couple
> years for a member organization whose stock and trade was their annual
> convention. They made millions off the convention and ran the organization the
> rest of the year off of it. I remember their anxiety prior to and relief at the
> end of each convention when they had the financial resources to survive another
> year. Prior to my working for the organization I had attended their conventions
> in the past. I had ever realistic expectation that my $200 plus registration fee
> was going to profit the organization.
>
> The question is will any AFOL event last if the organizers only have a profit
> motive in mind?
>
> I am also intimately aware of another convention, DragonCon, that happens in
> Atlanta every year. That Cluster-(Fest) each year leaves me wondering how it
> continues from year to year. Those volunteers do not get paid but get a free
> room and some eats during the convention and maybe a few drinks. Their reward is
> to hob-nob with the celebrities from science fiction and comic books, etc. All
> of the money raised for that goes to the convention space, the hotels, and to
> bring the celebrities in on an all expense paid trip to Atlanta. Ever year
> DragonCon happens I wonder how it keeps from imploding. Between screw ups in
> every conceivable way, to absolutely poor management and organization, it is a
> wonder the thing comes off at all.
>
> So the next question is without a small to moderate profit incentive for the
> organizer/s, how will the AFOL events continue?
>
> I for one, do not have all of the answers, but without knowing up front that the
> convention is for profit or not for profit how can I make an informed decision
> and vote my approval with or without my attendance?
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Todd
Todd,
Just as an aside--DragonCon Volunteers get free admission, have to work 20 hours
of the convention minimum, and they get a free T-shirt if they attend two
organizational meetings--no free room or anything else. (This is from a person
who volunteered for four years at DragonCon.. two years in VIP suite, and two
years in green room... VIP suite was quite neat..especially getting to meet Ray
Harryhausen.. and the memory of Slymen Hymnestra of Gwar in full costume,
walking into the VIP room, and asking me (in a manner completely opposite of her
costume) "do you have some band-aids? My heels are killing me in these boots!"
(after a few years, I figured 50 bucks divided by 20 hours equals 2.5 dollars an
hour..that was essentially what D-con was paying me...and what got me out of
going to DragonCon...was BrickFest!
Scott
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Then I guess I am going to be another stick in the mud!!!
I am looking to host an event in 2008 as well. In Ohio. THE CENTER OF THE
UNIVERSE.
I already have the venue, but I DO NOT WANT TO PULL ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE OTHER
places. SO I am going to need some help planning a date for it.
Looks like Sept will be it!!!
I need to put together a team to make it a hit. And with NO venue cost I can
spend the money on brick and advertisement.
Dan
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In lugnet.events, Duane Collicott wrote:
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Holy cow. Stop criticizing the work of others. The BrickFair people and Joe
are • our brothers (and sisters?) in the AFOL community. I want them to succeed. We’re
not in competition with each other, folks.
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Back in the good ole’ BricksWest days, (before the brick burglar ran away with
everone’s money) one thing that was learned very quickly was simply stop
listening to the criticism. In order to succeed in this community you need to
get a handful of strong supportive members, and proceed with whatever you have
planned. People will attend or not based on the quality of your event.
Joe put out a free online publication that far exceeded expectations; the
quality of his work is no longer in doubt, what is in question is whether or not
you value his work enough to pay for it in print form. I think we will come out
en mass, but that is just a prediction.
My advice, take it for what it’s worth, is proceed boldly, ignore the whiners,
and let the chips fall where they may. This community has a long tradition of
resisting change, only to embrace it later. Good luck with your event.
Scott
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I agree. Ther are over 300,000,000 people in the US alone! We have thousands
of AFOL’s active in the community. Any well run fest is a move in the correct
direction.
I think as in any family there are people that do not want anyone to do well.
If you have the moxy and the time. Do what makes you feel good. Join a LUG, do
a fest, or just show off your work.
In all if you are active, then your part of the AFOL community.
BE HAPPY, and keep going for your dreams
Dan Brown...The Toy Museum Bellaire OHIO
www.brickmuseum.net
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Ohio rocks anyway. Who cares who is running a fest. Promote ALL of them, and
keep the faith.
Dan
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