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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
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I hate wading back into the color
change waters
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I wonder why? Doesn’t it feel good to have been proven right? After all, the new
BRIGHTER sets were a raving success for LEGO, weren’t they? LEGO sale numbers in
Northern America were skyrocketing this year, and retailers have doubled or
trippled their shelf space reserved for LEGO all across the world! Everybody
loves (and buys) the wonderful new colors!*
Or what?
* (beware of irony!)
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In lugnet.color, Burkhard Schloemer wrote:
That’s sarcasm, not irony.
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In lugnet.color, Burkhard Schloemer wrote:
That’s sarcasm, not irony.
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Dang. You’re right. Thanks James, sarcasm it is definitely! But wouldn’t you
agree on how ironic the whole situation is? How set sale numbers of LEGO dropped
like a stone, despite the wonderful new colors?
Well, I suppose bad Knight’s Kingdom castle sets with blue, red and yellow
“knights” helped hurting sales pretty well, too. Sometimes I really wonder what
those LEGO designers are SMOKING?
And while I’m on it beating the dead horse by still being pi$$ed about the color
change issue, let me express how much I appreciate Jake’s effort with the color
table, wasted though as it probably is. He really believes in it, doesn’t he?
“Locked” colors? Oh please.
Light gray once was as locked as a color could be, for 25 years (or more). And
since braindead executives never die out, the new colors will remain locked for
only as long as the current generation of executives manages to hold on to their
jobs. Does anyone really expect a new management (always in need of product
improvements and new ideas) to honor this “locked colors” table ..?
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In lugnet.color, Burkhard Schloemer wrote:
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In lugnet.color, Burkhard Schloemer wrote:
That’s sarcasm, not irony.
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Dang. You’re right. Thanks James, sarcasm it is definitely! But wouldn’t you
agree on how ironic the whole situation is? How set sale numbers of LEGO
dropped like a stone, despite the wonderful new colors?
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With all due respect I don’t think the color change had much if any real effect
on sales. I am no LEGO appologist, actually the change bothers me more and more
as time passes but I don’t have the time or desire to waist time complaining
about it. I just recently used as much of my old light grey in one last MOC
instead. Much more productive use of my time... I do think LEGO is moving in
the right direction with the Designer and Inventor sets (some of the best sets
seen in decades). The spring cleaning stuff is a pretty neat idea too, LEGO
dumps stuff it has no need of and we get some parts we really like.
Anyway I know the color change bothers most of us but I do think it is time to
put it to bed. The old colors arn’t comming back no matter how much we
complain. I’m not saying you should like it but I do think it is a waist of
time continuing to complain about it at this point. Its actually pretty tireing
at this point, just another reason not to read LUGNET.
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Well, I suppose bad Knight’s Kingdom castle sets with blue, red and yellow
“knights” helped hurting sales pretty well, too. Sometimes I really wonder
what those LEGO designers are SMOKING?
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Well you might have something to complain about with some set designs but let me
tell you one thing, the little kids that are the market for these sets don’t
care about colors as much as we do. Heck they would want a Yellow Castle if
their were one... Kids don’t care if sets arn’t all grey many would probably
actually prefer some color.
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And while I’m on it beating the dead horse by still being pi$$ed about the
color change issue, let me express how much I appreciate Jake’s effort with
the color table, wasted though as it probably is. He really believes in it,
doesn’t he?
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Tired this is... Jake is doing his job and I believe he genually works to help
the adult community as much as he can. Give him a break, he does his best with
what he has. Talking down to him like this is extremely unproductive.
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“Locked” colors? Oh please.
Light gray once was as locked as a color could be, for 25 years (or more).
And since braindead executives never die out, the new colors will remain
locked for only as long as the current generation of executives manages to
hold on to their jobs. Does anyone really expect a new management (always in
need of product improvements and new ideas) to honor this “locked colors”
table ..?
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Well again you might have a point but why spout off with such vitriol. Why not
wait until they change one of those colors then call them on it instead of
daring them to do it.
Eric Kingsley
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Burkhard Schloemer wrote:
> In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> > I hate wading back into the color
> > change waters
> I wonder why? Doesn't it feel good to have been proven right? After all, the new
> BRIGHTER sets were a raving success for LEGO, weren't they? LEGO sale numbers in
> Northern America were skyrocketing this year, and retailers have doubled or
> trippled their shelf space reserved for LEGO all across the world! Everybody
> loves (and buys) the wonderful new colors!*
Yea! More new colours! More shades of pinkish violet-green, 'cause the
kids love them!
This list, however universal it is deemed now, still has some drawbacks.
The main problem I see is with these ugly new greys, which are on the
list, and which horribly clash[1] with classic colours like white, which
is also on the list. So they put an inconsistent list into granite.
So this leaves the following options:
- live on (play on) with an inconsistent palette (and hope that
nobody notices it)
- scrap the universailty of the list and change white, and
propably some other colours like yellow and blue, too (which
would propably result in spontaneous visits of AFOLs in Billund,
torches and pitchforks included :-)
- reintroduce and add the original grey to the list (something most
of us could agree to)
I can understand that Jake really does not like to be caught in
presenting this whole mess to the very concerned and involved part of
the market. I think, nobody would. Accept my deep sympathy, Jake.
Yours, Christian
[1] give it a try: stack some new grey, new dark grey and some fresh
(not yellowed) white bricks, and check them side by side. Especially the
new dark grey makes even the freshest white blocks look stained like
they were ten years old.
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Hello!
> With all due respect I don't think the color change had much if any real
> effect on sales.
Well, I can only speak for myself. The year is eleven months old and I can count
on two hands how many new sets I have bought. No multiple copies of one and the
same set, either. What I bought, however, are old-grey and old-brown parts from
pick-a-brick while they were available. Those won't be available for long so
next year I'll most likely be buying even less new LEGO.
> I do think
> LEGO is moving in the right direction with the Designer and Inventor sets
> (some of the best sets seen in decades).
So do I. It's sad to witness, though, TLC walking in the right direction with
the right leg (designer sets) but walking in the wrong direction with the left
leg at the same time (colour change) and thus tear apart the good of themselves.
> Anyway I know the color change bothers most of us but I do think it is time
> to put it to bed. The old colors arn't comming back no matter how much we
> complain.
I'm afraid you are right. But as long as those new colours are up many AFOLs
will be buying less of TLC's products than they did before no matter how much
TLC complains about their losses... Of course the number and the effect of
non-buying AFOLs is close to dispensable.
> I'm not saying you should like it but I do think it is a waist of
> time continuing to complain about it at this point. Its actually pretty
> tireing at this point, just another reason not to read LUGNET.
It's probably off-topic and I don't even know you so I don't ask what other
reasons you got not to read Lugnet (anymore).
Bye
Jojo
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I really don’t think the drop in sales had anything to do with the color
change, and if you do, you’re not being honest with yourself. LEGO didn’t
publicize the color change, either positively or negatively, to the
consumer-at-large (AFOLs don’t count), so little Timmy Bionicle Fan wouldn’t be
making his mommy’s buying decisions based on new colors.
IMO, the sales drop has more to do with the ever-shrinking attention span of
kids than with colors ever would have.
James Wilson
Dallas, TX
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In lugnet.color, Eric Kingsley wrote:
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Anyway I know the color change bothers most of us but I do think it is time
to put it to bed. The old colors arn’t comming back no matter how much we
complain. I’m not saying you should like it but I do think it is a waist of
time continuing to complain about it at this point. Its actually pretty
tireing at this point, just another reason not to read LUGNET.
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Amen.
And that is all I have to say.
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Hi Jojo,
<Eric said:>
> > With all due respect I don't think the color change had much if any real
> > effect on sales.
<Jojo replied:>
> Well, I can only speak for myself. The year is eleven months old and I can count
> on two hands how many new sets I have bought.
Similar here. I didn't buy a single new set this year. All I bought so far was
multiple copies of old (pre 2004) sets and old-colour bricks at BL and Lego S@H.
On the sunny side, my CD collection grew up considerably this year -- 1000+ CDs
-- just the money I didn't spend on Lego. True.
Hey, but as you rightly say Jojo, the effect of that on TLC rounds up to zero,
so TLC doesn't need to bother. At least I don't. Not anymore.
And for the record, universal-till-god-knows-when colors is just another silly
pill that I'm not going to swallow. (GREAT!, they are not changing white!
Woooow! Thanks TLC!, you really think of us! I was wrong then, but now I see.
How could I - unfair me - think for a second that you didn't even care?!)
Ok, back to lurking now.
Paulo-Renato
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In lugnet.color, Paulo Renato wrote:
> Hi Jojo,
>
> <Eric said:>
> > > With all due respect I don't think the color change had much if any real
> > > effect on sales.
>
>
> <Jojo replied:>
> > Well, I can only speak for myself. The year is eleven months old and I can count
> > on two hands how many new sets I have bought.
>
>
> Similar here. I didn't buy a single new set this year. All I bought so far was
> multiple copies of old (pre 2004) sets and old-colour bricks at BL and Lego S@H.
I wonder did you buy any sets of assorted classic grey bricks from S@H, which
are still available, months after being announced? Oh wait, no that's just a
ruse by TLC to try to appease the AFOLs and make some money at the same time.
ROSCO
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Hello!
> I wonder did you buy any sets of assorted classic grey bricks from S@H, which
> are still available, months after being announced? Oh wait, no that's just a
> ruse by TLC to try to appease the AFOLs and make some money at the same time.
For those who have a Pick-a-Brick nearby it's much cheaper to get their oldgrey
bricks from there. Yes, I got packs with oldgrey bricks from Shop-at-Home and
when I sorted the pieces into my sorting boxes I realized how few pieces I got
for the amount I paid. So I'm less thankful for those SaH packs than I am for
PaB :-)
I wonder, though: It was said those old-colour packs were limited to 10,000 bags
each (http://news.lugnet.com/lego/direct/?n=5877). But they are still available.
So does that mean that 2500 Lugnet members + assumably double that number of
AFOLs who are not Lugnet members wouldn't be able to get 10000 bags of old grey
bricks "sold out"? I'm not saying it's a bad thing they are still availabe, quit
the contrary. I just wonder if the official number of "10,000" was completely
true? Or if oldgrey bricks are even still in production? Maybe they (TLC) didn't
know exactly how many oldgrey pellets they still had in stock so they just
guessed it would be enough for 10000 bags of bricks and plates, but it turned
out they had more on stock so they continue the production. Or they just said
"limited to 10000" to get us buying as soon and as many as possible.....
If they were running the production of oldgrey forever I would not complain :-)
Bye
Jojo
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In lugnet.color, Johannes Koehler wrote:
> So does that mean that 2500 Lugnet members + assumably double that number of
> AFOLs who are not Lugnet members wouldn't be able to get 10000 bags of old grey
> bricks "sold out"?
I'd say that's the most likely explanation. AFOLs have many sources of bricks
and besides - MANY just aren't that affected by the colour change.
> I just wonder if the official number of "10,000" was completely
> true?
I can understand why people are annoyed at the color change. But it bothers me a
lot that people are prepared to accuse Jake and/or Lego as a company of being
dishonest. I've seen no evidence of dishonesty from Jake or from anyone else at
Lego.
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In lugnet.color, Johannes Koehler wrote:
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I wonder, though: It was said those old-colour packs were limited to 10,000
bags each (http://news.lugnet.com/lego/direct/?n=5877). But they are still
available. So does that mean that 2500 Lugnet members + assumably double that
number of AFOLs who are not Lugnet members wouldn’t be able to get 10000 bags
of old grey bricks “sold out”? I’m not saying it’s a bad thing they are still
availabe, quit the contrary. I just wonder if the official number of “10,000”
was completely true? Or if oldgrey bricks are even still in production? Maybe
they (TLC) didn’t know exactly how many oldgrey pellets they still had in
stock so they just guessed it would be enough for 10000 bags of bricks and
plates, but it turned out they had more on stock so they continue the
production. Or they just said “limited to 10000” to get us buying as soon and
as many as possible.....
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The absolute truth is that there were 10,000 bags of each of color (3 colors x 2
bag styles) produced. I’m am beyond positive about this because I was part of
this process. I’m not sure what else I can do to make you believe that, and my
fear is that you’re not going to believe me no matter what I do. That’s your
choice.
The reality is that AFOLs, the primary market for these bags, haven’t bought
enough to sell them out. Some bags remain in higher quantities than others, and
MANY more bags were sold in the US than in Europe. I’m not saying this is good
or bad, it just “is”.
Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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Hi Ross,
In lugnet.color, Ross Crawford wrote:
> In lugnet.color, Paulo Renato wrote:
> > Hi Jojo,
> >
> > <Eric said:>
> > > > With all due respect I don't think the color change had much if any real
> > > > effect on sales.
> >
> >
> > <Jojo replied:>
> > > Well, I can only speak for myself. The year is eleven months old and I can count
> > > on two hands how many new sets I have bought.
> >
> >
> > Similar here. I didn't buy a single new set this year. All I bought so far was
> > multiple copies of old (pre 2004) sets and old-colour bricks at BL and Lego S@H.
>
> I wonder did you buy any sets of assorted classic grey bricks from S@H, which
> are still available, months after being announced?
Yes, actually I bought my share. And have to tell you that I didn't buy more
because of the limited to 9 quantities of grey bricks pack, that make each
purchase more expensive due to shipping costs.
> Oh wait, no that's just a
> ruse by TLC to try to appease the AFOLs and make some money at the same time.
I don't have a clue what is behind TLC decisions. (Do you?) But if TLC was to
please AFOL they would do just one thing and that would be enough for me -
change the colour back. Since they are not doing that, I don't buy that they are
concerned with us. Not that I blame them. They are to make money. It's ok I
guess. But please, oh please, don't hurt (not specificlly you Ross, anyone) my
intelligence saying that - FINALLY - they are concerned with us. If they really
were, I'll say it again, they would change the colours back. Simple as that.
And about me purchasing old grey/brown packs, to be honest, I have mixed
feelings about these packs. One part of me says I should buy some so I could
express my voice with my wallet (and it would be a great thing if that bags soon
were sold out, therefore showing the weight of the AFOL comunity); the other
part feels that somehow I'm corroborating with a decision that I found, in a
certain sense, preverse. To this very day I haven't a definitive position about
this so I bought in a restrained fashion, 100 bags or close.
Best regards,
Paulo-Renato
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In lugnet.color, Jake McKee wrote:
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The reality is that AFOLs, the primary market for these bags, haven’t bought
enough to sell them out. Some bags remain in higher quantities than others,
and MANY more bags were sold in the US than in Europe. I’m not saying this is
good or bad, it just “is”.
Jake
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Ah, so they’re just not sold out yet ... was wondering myself there. I confess
I’m feeling a bit guilty for not buying my share as AFOL. Well ok, I DID buy
around 40 copies of gray baggies and still I could have bought more ... but what
would I want with that many plates and bricks with no other elements availible
in light gray anymore, or with an uncertain supply of elements in that
particular color in the future? I already built myself one DEATH STAR II in
light gray ... :)
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Hello!
> The absolute truth is that there were 10,000 bags of each of color (3 colors
> x 2 bag styles) produced. I'm am beyond positive about this because I was
> part of this process. I'm not sure what else I can do to make you believe
> that, and my fear is that you're not going to believe me no matter what I do.
> That's your choice.
Thanks, I accept that. I have no reason to doubt you tell the truth. I was just
hoping...
> Some bags remain in higher quantities than others,
> and MANY more bags were sold in the US than in Europe.
Maybe because in Europe there are three Legolands and some LEGO Stores where you
can buy loose bricks (oldgrey and oldbrown amongst others) that are less
expensive than the bags from SaH. I don't say it's good or bad, either.
Bye
Jojo
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In lugnet.color, Burkhard Schloemer wrote:
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In lugnet.color, Jake McKee wrote:
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The reality is that AFOLs, the primary market for these bags, haven’t bought
enough to sell them out. Some bags remain in higher quantities than others,
and MANY more bags were sold in the US than in Europe. I’m not saying this
is good or bad, it just “is”.
Jake
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Ah, so they’re just not sold out yet ... was wondering myself there. I
confess I’m feeling a bit guilty for not buying my share as AFOL. Well ok, I
DID buy around 40 copies of gray baggies and still I could have bought more
... but what would I want with that many plates and bricks with no other
elements availible in light gray anymore, or with an uncertain supply of
elements in that particular color in the future? I already built myself one
DEATH STAR II in light gray ... :)
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Saying that “no other elements availible in light gray anymore” is stretching
the situation a bit. There are reasonably large quantites of both ‘classic’
grays available on BrickLink. The ‘floor sweepings’ tubs/boxes/etc from both
2003 and 2004 have contained a fair amount of the ‘classic’ grays. Other than a
few special pcs (like the 2x2 convex corner slopes, which were always HTF) the
parts *are* generally avaialble. You might have an issue with the price of a few
of them, but they are generally available. In addition, the 2004 ‘floor
sweepings’ boxes also contain a fair distribution of the new grays. You might
say that TLC is priming the pump a bit to get the creative waters flowing using
the new bits.
Ray
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In lugnet.color, Ross Crawford wrote:
> In lugnet.color, Paulo Renato wrote:
> I wonder did you buy any sets of assorted classic grey bricks from S@H, which
> are still available, months after being announced? Oh wait, no that's just a
> ruse by TLC to try to appease the AFOLs and make some money at the same time.
>
> ROSCO
Hi Rosco,
I am not asked, but I did and felt upset about these nearly as much as if they
were blayish.
Because these are rubbish of lowest quality.
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=86700
As Jake wrote a while later on Lugnet the 2004 plates come in height tolerances
of up to 6%!! (Which is incredible worse than anything TLC ever did within the
70ies and 80ies.)
Played well.... :-(
Ben
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In lugnet.color, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke wrote:
> In lugnet.color, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > In lugnet.color, Paulo Renato wrote:
>
> > I wonder did you buy any sets of assorted classic grey bricks from S@H, which
> > are still available, months after being announced? Oh wait, no that's just a
> > ruse by TLC to try to appease the AFOLs and make some money at the same time.
>
> I am not asked, but I did and felt upset about these nearly as much as if they
> were blayish.
>
> Because these are rubbish of lowest quality.
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=86700
>
> As Jake wrote a while later on Lugnet the 2004 plates come in height tolerances
> of up to 6%!! (Which is incredible worse than anything TLC ever did within the
> 70ies and 80ies.)
Hi Ben, while those stacks look bad, I don't see any stacks of older plates
beside them to compare. I stacked my older bricks and found much variation, I
would be interested to see your findings.
A lot of people say LEGO tolerances have become worse over time, but I have not
seen anyone actually check the tolerance of older bricks, except my limited
investigation here http://news.lugnet.com/lego/?n=2163
ROSCO
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In lugnet.color, Ross Crawford wrote:
> In lugnet.color, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke wrote:
> > In lugnet.color, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > > In lugnet.color, Paulo Renato wrote: • [Snip - quality issues]
> Hi Ben, while those stacks look bad, I don't see any stacks of older plates
> beside them to compare. I stacked my older bricks and found much variation, I
> would be interested to see your findings.
>
> A lot of people say LEGO tolerances have become worse over time, but I have not
> seen anyone actually check the tolerance of older bricks, except my limited
> investigation here http://news.lugnet.com/lego/?n=2163
Hi Rosco,
I can imagine, that a wild mix of used bricks from 196x till nineties have
different clutch forces and similar tolerance spread as the plates now.
But if you took only bricks of one colour and type out of one type of set (from
any year within 70ies or 80ies) I am 100% convinced these are better than the
bricks now.
I do believe 100% in the word of Tormod Askildsen (working as head of the LEGO
community development). He is a very kind and trust worthy person - polite but
now and then shocking open in his statements.
He admitted TLC actually _has_ decreased their _too high_ quality to a level
which is still high, but no longer extraordinary high (they do not use the
slogan: "just the best is good ebnough for our children" any longer as well). He
was of the opinion, that most buyers do not care as much about quality as I (and
a few others do).
I am not happy about such an information, but I have to accept it of course. TLC
has trouble with losses, so they try to reduce the costs. The other side of the
medal are more and more disappointed customers (especially in old Europe, where
quality seems to be much more a topic than in the rest of the world.)
So please take it as a fact: the moulding cycles of the machines actually got
shortened and therefor the production output higher (=cheaper), but of lower
form tolerance.
Kind Regards,
Ben
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> ROSCO
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In lugnet.color, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke wrote:
> In lugnet.color, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > In lugnet.color, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke wrote:
> > > In lugnet.color, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > > > In lugnet.color, Paulo Renato wrote: [Snip - quality issues]
> > Hi Ben, while those stacks look bad, I don't see any stacks of older plates
> > beside them to compare. I stacked my older bricks and found much variation, I
> > would be interested to see your findings.
> >
> > A lot of people say LEGO tolerances have become worse over time, but I have not
> > seen anyone actually check the tolerance of older bricks, except my limited
> > investigation here http://news.lugnet.com/lego/?n=2163
>
> I can imagine, that a wild mix of used bricks from 196x till nineties have
> different clutch forces and similar tolerance spread as the plates now.
That's fine, but the bricks I used were all from the period 1970-1980, as they
were put away when I began my 20 year dark age in 1981, and I have since always
kept them separate from my new bricks. I actually picked out the bricks that
looked in the best condition.
> But if you took only bricks of one colour and type out of one type of set (from
> any year within 70ies or 80ies) I am 100% convinced these are better than the
> bricks now.
snip
> So please take it as a fact: the moulding cycles of the machines actually got
> shortened and therefor the production output higher (=cheaper), but of lower
> form tolerance.
That may well be the case, but I would still be interested to see someone
actually do the comparison.
ROSCO
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Ross Crawford wrote:
> I wonder did you buy any sets of assorted classic grey bricks from S@H, which
> are still available, months after being announced? Oh wait, no that's just a
> ruse by TLC to try to appease the AFOLs and make some money at the same time.
These sets have three big disadvantages: They don't suite everyones
needs in regards of selection of the parts, they are too expensive, and
they are only available online.
I bought only a few sets this year (even one with new bley in it,
because my wife wanted to have it - the set, not the bley), but I spent
quite a lot of money on several kilograms of grey bricks in PaBs. I
filled some "blue tubs" with e.g. 2x4 in grey and dark grey alone.
For someone with access to a PaB featuring the right bricks (even if
only a few times a year), the packaged sets at S@H are of no real concern.
yours, Christian
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In lugnet.color, Ray Sanders wrote:
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In lugnet.color, Burkhard Schloemer wrote:
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In lugnet.color, Jake McKee wrote:
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The reality is that AFOLs, the primary market for these bags, haven’t
bought enough to sell them out. Some bags remain in higher quantities than
others, and MANY more bags were sold in the US than in Europe. I’m not
saying this is good or bad, it just “is”.
Jake
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Ah, so they’re just not sold out yet ... was wondering myself there. I
confess I’m feeling a bit guilty for not buying my share as AFOL. Well ok, I
DID buy around 40 copies of gray baggies and still I could have bought more
... but what would I want with that many plates and bricks with no other
elements availible in light gray anymore, or with an uncertain supply of
elements in that particular color in the future? I already built myself one
DEATH STAR II in light gray ... :)
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Saying that “no other elements availible in light gray anymore” is stretching
the situation a bit. There are reasonably large quantites of both ‘classic’
grays available on BrickLink. The ‘floor sweepings’ tubs/boxes/etc from both
2003 and 2004 have contained a fair amount of the ‘classic’ grays. Other than
a few special pcs (like the 2x2 convex corner slopes, which were always HTF)
the parts *are* generally avaialble. You might have an issue with the price
of a few of them, but they are generally available. In addition, the 2004
‘floor sweepings’ boxes also contain a fair distribution of the new grays.
You might say that TLC is priming the pump a bit to get the creative waters
flowing using the new bits.
Ray
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That is true. I have plenty of “old-gray” bricks, and there will probably be
plenty “old-gray” elements on bricklink for a long time to come, but my main
issue is that elements introduced after the color-change (like the 3x12
wedge-plate) will NEVER be available in “old-gray”. If I come up with a MOC
that I wanted to use the 3x12 plates in I will either have to aquire all the
parts necessary in “new-gray”, build a mis-matching gray MOC, or be limited to
the realm of CAD. In my opinion, that is the true problem with the color
discontinuity. IF TLC was willing to release a very limited quantity of
“old-gray” service packs that made newer elements available every year, I would
be AFOL demand would be much higher for those than the existing “old-gray”
parts-baggies.
That is just my opinion. And I do thank Jake again for attempting to do what he
could to try to help the situation out.
drc
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Ah, so they’re just not sold out yet ... was wondering myself there. I
confess I’m feeling a bit guilty for not buying my share as AFOL. Well ok,
I DID buy around 40 copies of gray baggies and still I could have bought
more ... but what would I want with that many plates and bricks with no
other elements availible in light gray anymore, or with an uncertain supply
of elements in that particular color in the future? I already built myself
one DEATH STAR II in light gray ... :)
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“old-gray” service packs that made newer elements available every year, I
would be AFOL demand would be much higher for those than the existing
“old-gray” parts-baggies.
That is just my opinion. And I do thank Jake again for attempting to do what
he could to try to help the situation out.
drc
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The only problem I see with that idea is that if the 10K bags of gray weren’t
sold, that means there’s stuff in inventory. The market demand of that set
doesn’t seem to warrant production of more (since there’s inventory left).
Right now, those bags are costing Lego money and taking up space (more money).
IF they didn’t sell fully, why warrant more of the old color, (especially if
there’s no more color to mold)? (just thinking like a business owner here...)
Scott
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Hello!
> but my main
> issue is that elements introduced after the color-change (like the 3x12
> wedge-plate) will NEVER be available in "old-gray". If I come up with a MOC
> that I wanted to use the 3x12 plates in I will either have to aquire all the
> parts necessary in "new-gray", build a mis-matching gray MOC, or be limited
> to the realm of CAD. In my opinion, that is the true problem with the color
> discontinuity. [IF] TLC was willing to release a very limited quantity of
> "old-gray" service packs that made newer elements available every year, I
> would be AFOL demand would be much higher for those than the existing
> "old-gray" parts-baggies.
Sic est.
Bye
Jojo
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